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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: mware
Seems to me that would have been ruled out if no weapon was found at the scene of the deaths in the dorm

He also said the dorm room was a mess and it took time to determine the gun was not there. And then, the shooting started in the second building.

4,461 posted on 04/17/2007 6:37:54 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: mware

>Seems to me that would have been ruled out if no weapon was found at the scene of the deaths in the dorm.<

Unless the dorm shooter had an accomplice who picked up the gun - and subsequently used it.


4,462 posted on 04/17/2007 6:37:58 AM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: twigs

I thought he sounded like he was in shock, which would explain why he might come off as unfeeling.


4,463 posted on 04/17/2007 6:38:35 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: USArmySpouse

The guy followed the rules. He didn’t know the kid was going to be wacko.


4,464 posted on 04/17/2007 6:39:09 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: All

Public safety chief, all actions taken were reasonable.

CYA....


4,465 posted on 04/17/2007 6:39:09 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Moose4

I don’t know about that. If everything was in order, there are no grounds to sue. If I go out and start killing people with a carving knife, does that mean my victims can sue Williams-Sonoma for legally selling me a carving knife?


4,466 posted on 04/17/2007 6:39:23 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Moose4

Why should he face lawsuits? He followed the rules, right?


4,467 posted on 04/17/2007 6:39:37 AM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: glymers

Well, we now know that HE WASN’T here on a student visa. THAT is why we wait for the information and do not rely on second and third hand RUMORS.


4,468 posted on 04/17/2007 6:39:48 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Dante3
Seems the talking points to the media are to blame the University.

Apparently VT is holding its information close to the vest, which, in turn, infuriates the press, who then proceed with wild speculation and their own opinions as to what happened and what should have done.

Now, instead of mourning these 32 children, we're suppose to find the blame immediately and trash somebody -- anybody.

The press is like the plant in Little Shop of Horrors. It loves blood and it MUST be fed.

Watching the reporters pontificate last night, I had a fleeting thought that I prayed that they be completely wrong in everything they said so that, once and for all, this country can see what these awful people do to us day in and day out.

4,469 posted on 04/17/2007 6:40:05 AM PDT by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: dawn53

I’m wondering the same.


4,470 posted on 04/17/2007 6:40:20 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: jdm

Oh, good grief! Maybe because when they tried the doors, they couldn’t open them? CHAINED doors would be evident, even from the outside.


4,471 posted on 04/17/2007 6:40:48 AM PDT by Trust but Verify
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To: Rutles4Ever
If everything was in order, there are no grounds to sue.

You must be kidding me.

4,472 posted on 04/17/2007 6:41:13 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: tioga
-are we all forgetting the age of some of our nation’s finest young men and women serving in Iraq? -they are children as well, but how many of us would refer to them as children?

I started to ramble on about that, because your point certainly crossed my mind and I thought it might get mentioned. Intellectually and chronologically these students are adults, as are our fighting forces. "Children" is spoken from the heart and not the brain; as we might often say in tragic situation contexts, 'children' losing their parents, parents losing their 'children' in combat. It's not an indictment of the students' maturity. Just more embracing.

4,473 posted on 04/17/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by turbocat
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To: blu

Because the anti-gun people keep wanting to blame the gun, not the gun user, for doing a bad thing.


4,474 posted on 04/17/2007 6:41:28 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: CedarDave
I wish the President would not attend, but send a message and announce he would come to the campus later for a more private visit.

After a tornado killed 8 students at a nearby high school, President Bush visited the site. He landed at the airport near my home and hundreds of people were lined up outside of the airport. I was in my front yard and got chill bumps as Air Force One flew over my house. Many of my neighbors were outside as well. He then flew on a helicopter to Enterprise and visited with and consoled families, students, and the community. Many, many people in our area described how they were comforted by his words and attention to our community. His feelings and prayers were genuine. I refuse to make a comparison between President Bush and Bill Clinton.

4,475 posted on 04/17/2007 6:41:44 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: mware

Exactly. A gun always remains nearby in a murder/suicide simply because it has to. The absence of a gun should have told university officials, LEO’s, etc. ‘Hey, the perp is still on the loose.’


4,476 posted on 04/17/2007 6:41:50 AM PDT by jdm
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You could be right, although I’ll reserve judgment. I would certainly be in shock.


4,477 posted on 04/17/2007 6:41:54 AM PDT by twigs
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To: johniegrad

Share with the class?


4,478 posted on 04/17/2007 6:42:07 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: johniegrad

I personally think the students are correct in saying... that the only person to blame is the shooter.


4,479 posted on 04/17/2007 6:42:17 AM PDT by JFC
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To: twigs
He came across as unfeeling and arrogant to me, although not incompetent, at least before the cameras.

Whatever is that supposed to signify? Did you want him to weep or at least bite at his lip?

And how can you judge a university president's competence based on one statement in the midst of a nightmare?

Just asking....

4,480 posted on 04/17/2007 6:42:21 AM PDT by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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