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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: BagCamAddict
The focus here on these professors by the gunman brings to mind the shooting at University of Iowa, referred to as the Gang Lu Massacre, where a Chinese graduate student killed five and then himself, with two of his victims involved in sensitive research of interest to China.
4,241 posted on 04/17/2007 4:48:20 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Alia

The blame is so predictable. Some people have to blame someone, no matter what. The real person to blame is dead, so that just leaves Virginia Tech. It makes no difference what the school did or didn’t do.


4,242 posted on 04/17/2007 4:50:32 AM PDT by Toskrin (It didn't seem nostalgic when I was doing it)
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To: Miss Marple

>>I see Shep has made it to Virginia Tech.

So I won’t be turning on the TV. I can’t stand CNN, and I can’t stand Shep’s overwrought histrionics.


4,243 posted on 04/17/2007 4:55:16 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Strategerist
This morning's coverage from the Enemedia is quite predictable:

  1. No mention he was on a VISA
  2. No mention the serial numbers were filed off.

Talk about "Inconvenient Truths" for the antigunners.

4,244 posted on 04/17/2007 4:57:38 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Can’t the liberals start their own countries somewhere, and then surrender?)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
“Just seems like this was a targeted shooting not just an aimless rampage done by someone with perhaps military training.”

Certainly with military training and very experienced in US gun identification laws the serial # on both guns were erased.
It is very difficult to accept that a foreigner with less than a year on US soil knows so many things.Unless he was purposely trained for that.

4,245 posted on 04/17/2007 4:58:40 AM PDT by SeeSalt
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To: Alia
I agree with your. Didn't we learn anything for the Duke rape case about jumping to conclusions? Seems the talking points to the media are to blame the University. Interesting how similar they sound. The shooter is to blame. Only if he were admitted to the school in spite of something about his background that raised red flags would I consider putting part of the blame on the University.

I would have no problem sending my child to Virginia Tech. It is a beautiful area and the food is far better than at many other schools.

4,246 posted on 04/17/2007 4:58:45 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Probably not. We would just shake our heads and say "Again?", which may be what they are doing.

Still, the fact that this is likely a Chinese student who carried this out and they blame American culture for the act seems hypocritical.

Mainland Chinese are very violent, and it is a very militaristic country. I have traveled to China at least 6 times in the past 6 years, and every single time I have seen acts of violence in public...fights and brawls and theft. I am only one person and don't travel to every rough part of town to see these things.

The other thing I am struck by when I have been to China is that every single TV station has shows and commercials glorifying the People's Liberation Army every single day...all day long. It is scary.

4,247 posted on 04/17/2007 4:59:32 AM PDT by twntaipan (Who needs jihad when you have the dhimmicrats?)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

If he was here for 8 mos it makes the jealousy story less possible. How does he find a girl and get that possesive in 8 mos. This is terrorism and he was sent here on a mission. The girl was a diversion.

Pray for W and Va Tech


4,249 posted on 04/17/2007 5:03:28 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Yep. Pretty blatant for 'wet work'. No finesse. Which is what makes it deniable, I suppose. At the same time, anything to disarm us is an eventual plus for them, so maybe there is a push for carnage to get the gun control crowd moving again.

This has a similar KIA/WIA ratio to Port Arthur and reeks much the same.

4,250 posted on 04/17/2007 5:05:14 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: don-o
"We had no reason to suspect any other incident was going to occur," he said.

If you don't have the shooter, then you need to be concerned. jmo

4,251 posted on 04/17/2007 5:07:52 AM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,500 fines?)
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To: BurbankKarl

He also remembered to call in bomb threats to check police response times.

Pray for W and Va Tech


4,252 posted on 04/17/2007 5:09:04 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: Just Lori

There must be a fine line to how you expand this feeling beyond those effected.

I was moved by the President who spoke of how OUR hearts go out to those who lost friends and loved ones, but somewhat repulsed by people who said “the nation suffered a tragedy”.

This wasn’t a national tragedy. It wasn’t my loss. Sure, I was sad, and hurt, and maybe angry, but the event belongs to those who lived through it or died from it. Sometimes I think we publicise stuff like this so much that we take away from the true victims their “victimhood”.

I felt that way with the Rutgers team. By the time they had their press conference to discuss how mean words said about them effected them, a lot of people were saying things like “shut up already”, or “what victims”, because Sharpton and Jackson had already “stolen” their victimhood for all black people, and Imus was even making himself out to be the victim.

Maybe if you are suffering a loss like this, it helps to know other people “feel your pain”, but frankly every time I’ve been around people who had a loss, the last thing they seemed to want to hear was how others “understood”, or “felt”, their loss.


4,253 posted on 04/17/2007 5:11:25 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Alia
"Is there supposed to be an alert for everyone everywhere to LOCK DOWN AND STAY IN DOORS?"

I wish some of the second guessers would tell us exactly what they would have done.

1) They had an incident in a dormitory, where two people were shot.

2) We are being told that the campus should have been "locked down", at that time. There were some 9,000 students living in dormitories ON CAMPUS at that time. So some suggest that the University should have locked them in their dorms when they'd already had one shooting in a residential facility.

3. The second shooting incident happened in a building of classrooms, but how were they to know yesterday at 8:00 where the second horror would occur, even if they could have foreseen it??

4. I can only conclude that what is being suggested is that a campus of some 30,000 should have been completely exacuated. To where? How long does it take to do that?

Instead of the blame game, I'd like to see practical ideas about what people are truly suggesting.

Hindsight is 20-20

4,254 posted on 04/17/2007 5:11:29 AM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Spktyr

I personally think the North Hollywood shooting was one of the “worst” shootings in our history. Not in terms of number killed (which I’ve decided is not a good way to measure the events, since that seems to be simply a matter of will of the shooter), but because of the sheer terror factor.

Knowing the police had the guys surrounded, but that they could do nothing to stop them, that civilians who had been shot couldn’t be rescued, that the gunmen owned the street, that’s just scary. Like “Terminator” scary.

In this shooting, we can speculate that one student with a gun could have stopped this guy. In NHollywood, we had police with guns and they could do nothing.


4,255 posted on 04/17/2007 5:14:37 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: bray
My guess, and conjecture here, is that the perp was South Korean (maybe Korean-American) and not Chinese after all. I keep getting the Korean connection, and the name Cho came up earlier, which is definitely (if Romanized correctly) not a Chinese surname--although somebody could have goofed and left off a "u" in which case he would be Chinese.

I guess we will have to wait another 45 minutes or so to get the final word on the perp.

4,256 posted on 04/17/2007 5:14:49 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Steve Doocy (Fox News) was saying Librescu held door and died while his students went out the window, so that professor shot in the head is not Librescu.


4,257 posted on 04/17/2007 5:16:58 AM PDT by Nextrush ( Chris Matthews Band: "I get high....I get high.....I get high.....McCain......")
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To: Lazamataz
No mention the serial numbers were filed off.

MSNBC just reported that now.

4,258 posted on 04/17/2007 5:18:04 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: Dinah Lord

I was just about to make a smart comment about his pathetic whining during Katrina, and whether he would pull the same theatrics here— and I ran across your post.

Ugh.


4,259 posted on 04/17/2007 5:18:24 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (I not only want my child left behind, but left alone for me to direct, not some bureaucrat.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I think the Cho guy is who furnished the guns and the shooter is from Shanghai. He may have left from Shanghai and came from somewhere that has AQ ties. If the rumors are true he looks like he came here on a specific terrorist mission.

The Samestream press will never speculate terrorism. They will follow the Columbine script. It is up to the new media to follow other possibilities.

Pray for W and Va Tech


4,260 posted on 04/17/2007 5:18:47 AM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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