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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: A Navy Vet

The question is not a simple one (except from the concept of the absolute right in the constitution to own a weapon).

It is clear that, in a situation like this, having armed people in each classroom would have ended this sooner.

But what is not clear is how many people might have been killed by guns after minor traffic accidents, fights over women, normal violent behavior at school, if a lot of kids had guns readily available. I’m not saying there is ANY evidence that having guns available WOULD lead to them being used in these other situations, just that it is not without merit to think about it.


4,281 posted on 04/17/2007 5:31:00 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BagCamAddict

I heard on the news that Liviu Librescu held the doors to his classroom closed, despite the gunman shooting into them, so that his students could escape out a window. Holocaust survivor, great man.


4,282 posted on 04/17/2007 5:31:33 AM PDT by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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To: All

Good news! All the kids of my friend have been accounted for and fine. She is very glad. After reaching all their parents the kids had all finally made contact and are ok, but went through a hell of a day.


4,283 posted on 04/17/2007 5:31:33 AM PDT by Halls (check out my profile and it will explain everything!)
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To: Dante3
Virginia Tech sounds like a school I'd like my kids to transfer to. I watched numerous "pressers". Seemed to me those who attend the school, those who run the school, and the police have sense, dignity, integrity, reasonableness, and the ability to stay on focus and deal with the facts.

The facts. The facts.

And the patience to wait for facts, and in not joining the "hype" parade.

VA Tech sounds like my tenor of my home and family.

4,284 posted on 04/17/2007 5:31:49 AM PDT by Alia
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To: HonestConservative
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."

What an amazing sacrifice.
4,285 posted on 04/17/2007 5:32:18 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Paved Paradise
Liviu Lebrescu


4,286 posted on 04/17/2007 5:32:25 AM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: bray

This student being interviewed on FOX now with Shep may well be our president in 30 years..wearing a starched white shirt AND a tie..and very articulate..


4,287 posted on 04/17/2007 5:32:51 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Trust but Verify; 1066AD; AmericanInTokyo

MSNBC says -

They found a cell phone near the dead shooter and they thought the cell phone belonged to the dead shooter. Now they believe the cell phone belonged to an Asian guy who arrived in August 2006 on a student visa, not the shooter.

They believe the shooter was in the US legally on a permanent visa so it would be legal for him to purchase guns in the USA.


4,288 posted on 04/17/2007 5:33:11 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: A Citizen Reporter

Thank you so much. Another Freeper also linked me. Thanks again. I get so emotional about this stuff and I have a special love for those who endured the holocaust. I know Professor Lebrescu rests in God’s arms at last.


4,289 posted on 04/17/2007 5:33:22 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Amen, my friend; amen.


4,290 posted on 04/17/2007 5:33:47 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: ken5050

Derek O’dell is doing an excellent job.

Brave young man.


4,291 posted on 04/17/2007 5:33:49 AM PDT by maggief
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To: maggief

I know...but the shirt and tie is so kewl..so mature...


4,292 posted on 04/17/2007 5:34:56 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: dawn53

Thanks.


4,293 posted on 04/17/2007 5:35:01 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Toskrin
I perceive the "blame game" is rather distasteful to you too.

The same people who personalize the "why didn't someone act sooner to STOP this thing" are the same people, apparently, who can put themselves into the mind set of a victim or potential victim --

But never into the mindset of a person trying to deal with, capture, and halt this horror.

4,294 posted on 04/17/2007 5:35:06 AM PDT by Alia
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To: A Citizen Reporter
I'd like to see practical ideas about what people are truly suggesting.

In a large area like a campus or town, I would advocate a siren (like the old civil defense alarms). They use them for tornado warnings and people know that means get inside, take cover, stay there til the all-clear.

Why wouldn't such a warning work here? Administrators knew there was an armed man on the loose...and he'd just murdered 2 people. Students and the community should at least have been informed of THAT information.

It wouldn't have stopped the 2nd rampage. But some of those students may have stayed home.

4,295 posted on 04/17/2007 5:35:42 AM PDT by Timeout (I hate MediaCrats! ......and trial lawyers.)
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To: Paved Paradise

Sorry, I am just getting up.

I do know that I find the discussion concerning whether or not he could legally purchase a gun tragic. I say tragic because it is confounding that we can entertain the idea that guns are legal for an individual matters at all in any of these tragedies.

Gun laws are to keep guns away from folks who RESPECT laws and to deprive the same people of their power and freedom.

Certainly no one here believes that gun laws are intended to keep us and our families safe? Are they working?


4,296 posted on 04/17/2007 5:35:59 AM PDT by HonestConservative (Imus called the wrong folks Ho's.)
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To: ken5050

Shep keeps asking Derek questions.

Awesome kid.


4,297 posted on 04/17/2007 5:36:27 AM PDT by maggief
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To: IIntense

Every morning, high school students drive by 10s if not hundreds of other students meandering their way into buildings that have just opened. Those high school students are driving SUVs.

Imagine two hundred students in a breezeway in the slight rain (under the roof) waiting for the doors to open, and a guy in a large 4-wheel drive SUV deciding to run them over.

You could well end up with more people dead than at Tech.

It’s not the weapons, it’s the people who use them. We certainly shouldn’t change laws for the worse based on the abberent “worst shooting ever”.


4,298 posted on 04/17/2007 5:36:34 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: PapaBear3625
The net result will be a lot of aggressive young men with no marriage prospects

Wow - wouldn't that be something if this get spun into an argument over abortion ... I can't wait for the no news conference at 9 am. Hope we learn something.

4,299 posted on 04/17/2007 5:36:59 AM PDT by 11th_VA (VRWC Local 774)
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To: Paved Paradise

How terribly sad about him and the other victims. While many no doubt were random victims, I wonder if he and others were targeted.


4,300 posted on 04/17/2007 5:38:17 AM PDT by Dante3
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