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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded)
http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyear=2007&itemno=248 ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: redgolum
"At the very least, this guy had a lot of hardware lying around. I mean, how many college students have a bullet proof vest in the closet?"

I'm going to go out on a limb and say none. It probably took him at least a couple of days to get that vest. I've never seen any shops in this area selling vests. I'd say he ordered it online. I'd be interested to see what his credit/debit card transactions look like. I'm sure that's being done as we speak.

1,841 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:07 PM PDT by KoRn (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: meg88; Quix
Which is what I can’t figure out.

My wife is a high school math teacher. Any threat, and they go into lock down.

It seems like
1. There was a shooting in the morning. Temporary lock down put in place (for how long?), but then lifted or wasn’t campus wide.

2. Two hours later, perp enters into a class room (in session or in lock down?) and starts shooting. Did he attack more than one room? What about the reports of chains, bullet proof vests, etc?

At the very least, there was a massive break down in the incident procedures of the school.

1,842 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:09 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Justa
Well, he certainly isn't a muslim. Muslims don't have girlfriends, they have property.

Sadly, their property thinks they have a boyfriend...

1,843 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:29 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: Velveeta

Duly noted and I appreciate the ping.
Cindy


1,844 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:40 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: Lurking in Kansas
Wars that started/ended in April include: ... Super Tornado Outbreak (April 3-4, 1974)
How does one "start" a tornado? Karl Rove? Perhaps he dabbled in tornadoes prior to perfecting the hurricane machine.
1,845 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:43 PM PDT by vamoose
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To: Pyro7480

Some guy (Andrew Keyhoe? Kehoe? I forget) blew up an elementary school back in the 20s, THEN himself when people responded, killing more.


1,846 posted on 04/16/2007 1:36:51 PM PDT by GenuineChocolateFace (Sarcasm - it beats killing people.)
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To: floriduh voter
Scary,my daughter goes to University tom.
1,847 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:00 PM PDT by fatima (Shut up Murtha)
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To: meg88

Dear Freepers . . .

As we contemplate the horror toll . . .

think about all the Jihadi’s around the world who are cheering and praying for the death toll to go higher . . . as well as calculating as much as they can how to increase such when they launch their . . . campus ‘visits.’

Then insure that HARXIST—her unroyal lowness; her hideous heinous and all her globalist cohorts get voted out of office . . . ASAP.

Pray, Prepare . . . watch very alertly.


1,848 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:10 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: Txsleuth

the press conference is being delayed - here comes the Columbine style cover up and misdirection - they really have no good way of explaining why the campus wasn’t locked down after the first shooting.


1,849 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:19 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: floriduh voter

Actually, the FBI show up on the scene of these types of things as standard procedure post-9/11. Just because the FBI is there doesn’t necessarily mean anything.


1,850 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:33 PM PDT by sola_fide
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

<< I can’t believe people are still entertaining this angry boyfriend theory. People really do believe anything the TV tells them to believe. Even if it does defy all logic and reason. >>

Actually the jilted boyfriend theory is not what the TV talking heads are speculating, it’s what the students on campus are telling people, albeit much of its seems to be second or third-hand. It’s not being put out there by the authorities.

If it was in fact his girlfriend and her RA he shot in the 7:15 shooting, then I’ll bet this guy was a loser along the lines of Harris and Klebold - acquired weapons and vest, etc., not for self-defense but to make himself feel like a hard guy, was probably heavy into imaginary killing via videogames, and to top it off may have been angered if his “girlfriend” was messing around with other people, the “hook-up” culture on campus, especially if he was from a traditional muslim or hindu background. He was probably inadequate in the classroom as well as the bedroom, and being of foreign background perhaps led him into a generalized anger against other students generally, basically a ticking time bomb.

Just speculation, of course.


1,851 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:35 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: michigander

Todd Schnitt Radio Show heard thru back channels shooter wa muslim but is just SPECULATION at this time (I’m sure Schnitt doesn’t want to be Imus’d.


1,852 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:35 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Not to mention the fact that, in an auditorium-style classroom, if he came in from the back, he’d be shooting down toward the students’ heads, and obviously get the first pops off from behind. Anybody wanting to get to him would have to get out to an aisle and then charge up a slope or steps that may already have bodies or blood on them.

I must admit, though, I’m still stunned that one person could rack up 30+ dead and 20+ wounded with, according to MSLSD, one 9mm semiauto and one .22 semiauto.

}:-)4


1,853 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:37 PM PDT by Moose4 (What's the difference between Mike Nifong and toast? Right about now, nothing.)
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To: Pyro7480

I think it was an explosion in Michigan back in the teens of the 20th century.


1,854 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:37 PM PDT by meg88
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To: KoRn

Unless you are law enforcement or military, you can’t even get a bullet proof vests in most parts of the country.


1,855 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:40 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Velveeta

April always scares me.......

Waco and OKC on the 19th.

Columbine School massacre and Hitler’s birthday on the 20th.


1,856 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:43 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (With God for a pilot, anything is possible.......!!!)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
This is way premature - The timeline has not been nailed down. We’ll have decades of coverage to find out exactly what happened.

Your scenario raises a couple of questions. Was he looking for the girlfriend or was the girlfriend already dead at the time of the main attack? Why can’t they identify the boyfriend through the dead girlfriend? Surely someone knew they were dating.

On the other hand, some thought the Cory Lidle accident was another 9/11. I don’t know, it just seems to be that if the facts are as they have been portrayed, we should know far more than we do as of the moment. I could be wrong.

1,857 posted on 04/16/2007 1:37:49 PM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Maybe you (and all the other posters) should stop acting as if an age group is the very same as a racial or religious group (funny how we can spout how bad Moslems are, but not college kids).

What are you talking about? A group?

It's really quite simple - you want to limit voting based on the portrayals of people 18-21 you see on the MSM. I think we need fewer restrictions on rights, not more.

1,858 posted on 04/16/2007 1:38:02 PM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: null and void

MSNBC just reported that law enforcement has told them that they are having trouble identifying the shooter.

He was carrying no cell phone, no ID, his fingerprints brought up nothing, and he shot himself in the face, thus disfiguring himself.

Now saying they are going to try to trace him through the serial numbers on the guns.

Nah...this wasn’t premeditated.


1,859 posted on 04/16/2007 1:38:18 PM PDT by cammie
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To: KoRn

Some idiot on FOX is saying that VT is at fault for not having a warning system in place that call every dorm room and tell students to lock their doors and not leave their rooms. Well, if they had this system, the shooter would have known about it and planned accordingly. You can’t protect students from unpredictable crazy people, intent on killing.


1,860 posted on 04/16/2007 1:38:36 PM PDT by Eva
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