Comparision of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

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[grundle]

Comparision of Arab and Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)

Literature

1988 - Najib Mahfooz

Peace

1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

1994 - Yasser Arafat *

2003 - Shirin Ebadi

Chemistry

1999 - Ahmed Zewail

Physics

Abdus Salam

* NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."

Jewish Nobel Prize Winners

From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)

Literature

1910 - Paul Heyse

1927 - Henri Bergson

1958 - Boris Pasternak

1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

1966 - Nelly Sachs

1976 - Saul Bellow

1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

1981 - Elias Canetti

1987 - Joseph Brodsky

1991 - Nadine Gordimer

2002 - Imre Kertesz

World Peace

1911 - Alfred Fried

1911 - Tobias Asser

1968 - Rene Cassin

1973 - Henry Kissinger

1978 - Menachem Begin

1986 - Elie Wiesel

1994 - Shimon Peres

1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

1995 - Joseph Rotblat

Chemistry

1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

1906 - Henri Moissan

1910 - Otto Wallach

1915 - Richard Willstaetter

1918 - Fritz Haber

1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

1961 - Melvin Calvin

1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

1972 - William Howard Stein

1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

1977 - Ilya Prigogine

1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

1980 - Paul Berg

1980 - Walter Gilbert

1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

1982 - Aaron Klug

1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

1985 - Jerome Karle

1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

1988 - Robert Huber

1989 - Sidney Altman

1992 - Rudolph Marcus

1998 - Walter Kohn

2000 - Alan J. Heeger

2004 - Irwin Rose

2004 - Avram Hershko

2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

Economics

1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

1971 - Simon Kuznets

1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

1973 - Wassily Leontief

1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

1976 - Milton Friedman

1978 - Herbert A. Simon

1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

1985 - Franco Modigliani

1987 - Robert M. Solow

1990 - Harry Markowitz

1990 - Merton Miller

1992 - Gary Becker

1993 - Rober Fogel

1994 - John Harsanyi

1994 - Reinhard Selten

1997 - Robert Merton

1997 - Myron Scholes

2001 - George Akerlof

2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

2002 - Daniel Kahneman

2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

Medicine

1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

1908 - Paul Erlich

1914 - Robert Barany

1922 - Otto Meyerhof

1930 - Karl Landsteiner

1931 - Otto Warburg

1936 - Otto Loewi

1944 - Joseph Erlanger

1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

1953 - Hans Krebs

1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

1958 - Joshua Lederberg

1959 - Arthur Kornberg

1964 - Konrad Bloch

1965 - Francois Jacob

1965 - Andre Lwoff

1967 - George Wald

1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

1969 - Salvador Luria

1970 - Julius Axelrod

1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

1975 - David Baltimore

1975 - Howard Martin Temin

1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

1977 - Andrew V. Schally

1978 - Daniel Nathans

1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

1984 - Cesar Milstein

1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

1988 - Gertrude Elion

1989 - Harold Varmus

1991 - Erwin Neher

1991 - Bert Sakmann

1993 - Richard J. Roberts

1993 - Phillip Sharp

1994 - Alfred Gilman

1994 - Martin Rodbell

1995 - Edward B. Lewis

1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

2000 - Eric R. Kandel

2002 - Sydney Brenner

2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

Physics

1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

1921 - Albert Einstein

1922 - Niels Bohr

1925 - James Franck

1925 - Gustav Hertz

1943 - Gustav Stern

1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

1952 - Felix Bloch

1954 - Max Born

1958 - Igor Tamm

1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

1959 - Emilio Segre

1960 - Donald A. Glaser

1961 - Robert Hofstadter

1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

1965 - Julian Schwinger

1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

1971 - Dennis Gabor

1972 - Leon N. Cooper

1973 - Brian David Josephson

1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

1976 - Burton Richter

1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

1978 - Peter L Kapitza

1979 - Stephen Weinberg

1979 - Sheldon Glashow

1988 - Leon Lederman

1988 - Melvin Schwartz

1988 - Jack Steinberger

1990 - Jerome Friedman

1992 - Georges Charpak

1995 - Martin Perl

1995 - Frederick Reines

1996 - David M. Lee

1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.

[dead]

LOL! That’s just bizarre looking.

[Joe 6-pack]

"Yet Equatorial Guinea is the world's wealthiest country, measured in terms of per capita GNP, and India is, despite recent growth, still very poor. In this situation, the difference is natural resources, but there can be any number of things at play."

Indian citizens have also had the freedom to move abroad and seek their fortunes elsewhere...add those incomes into the equation and it will not seem so skewed. Furthermore, whereas Indians have been generally politically free, there are religio-cultural issues that have repressed people's civil rights beyond the government's ability to protect them (i.e. the caste system.)...a similar argument could be made about the Jim Crow south in the US.

And yes, while the per capita income of Equat. Guinea may be higher, that's more the result of a low overall population. If you look at the disparity between wealthy and poor, I'd be willing to wager you'd also find one of the biggest gaps of any nation in the world....

...bottom line, the backwardness of most islamic nations is a result primarily of...well, their being islamic nations.

[mjolnir]

(Joe Sixpack)Countries are rich or poor based primarily, if not exclusively on the relative amount of freedom their peoples enjoy.

(Alter Kaker)I think that's part of the story, but it's not anything close to the whole story. Just for starters, look at Equatorial Guinea and India. India has been a multi-party parliamentary democracy for 60 years, whereas Equatorial Guinea is one of the least free, most repressive countries on earth. Yet Equatorial Guinea is the world's wealthiest country, measured in terms of per capita GNP, and India is, despite recent growth, still very poor. In this situation, the difference is natural resources, but there can be any number of things at play.

I have to disagree--- India has had a degree of political freedom, but only just now has been moving out from under the Nehru/Gandhi socialism to economic freedom--- and just look at the difference that has made already!

[grundle]

I didn’t write this, so the spelling mistakes aren’t mine.

[grundle]

A country will be rich or poor depending on how much it does or doesn’t respect property rights. Just compare South Korea to North Korea, or Botswana to Ethiopia, or the U.S. to Cuba.

[grundle]

Inida is poor because it has not had much economic freedom. Recently, some parts of India have adopted more economic freedom, so its economy has been growing. At this link, John Stossel explains how India's government bureacracy strangles the private sector and prevents people from starting businesses, creating jobs, and creating wealth:

http://pages.towson.edu/trhoads/AmericaOne.html

[Andrew Byler]

I don't know about Israel. 20% of the population is Arab and another per centage is Shepardic Jews.

30% of the US population is black and hispanic, yet the average US IQ is higher than Israel's in that list. That only makes sense mathematically if the typical white America has a higher IQ than the typical Israeli Jew. Given that the Ashkenazi are something like 60% or more of Israel's population, if they really averaged a 115 IQ, the average IQ of Israel would be among the highest in the world.

.6*115+.2*85+.2*85=103

The actual score of 94 implies an Ashkenazi IQ of 100.

[Andrew Byler]

Population: 12,000,000

The number of Jews is the US plus Israel is more than 12 million.

Lets work with real statistics, shall we?

[Andrew Byler]

Commentary Magazine, April 2007

It doesn't take much thought to start rejecting some of the points in this article.

"In 1954, a psychologist used those test results to identify all 28 children in the New York public-school system with measured IQ’s of 170 or higher. Of those 28, 24 were Jews."

And ALSO at the time, NYC had a huge Jewish population in comparison to today, and much of the non-Jewish white population was in private or parochial schools, especially the portion of the population we would expect to have a higher IQ (children of the wealthy and successful). Why WOULDN'T we expect overwhelming Jewish dominance of a public school test from 1950's NYC?

About 1 million Jews were killed in the revolts against the Romans in Judea and Egypt.

During the Jewish revolt Vespasian only had four legions XII Fulminata, XV Apollinaris, X Fretensis and V Macedonica to do the killing. It seems quite unlikely that 4 legions of 6200 (even with the back-up of additional auxilliaries) could slaughter 1 million or even 500,000 at arms or in revolt. This questionable figure comes from Josephus, who claims 1 million dead just in Jerusalem. Herodian Jerusalem was, as can be seen by the lines of the walls, a tiny place of 220 acres adequate for about 15,000 or so people both in size and in water resources (even today, modern Jerusalem on a vastly expanded footprint only has 725,000 people). Murray's lack of credulity with such numbers bespeaks to his general use of them in the article.

In general, taking IQ findings among a small self-selected sample of 100 or so in the US (as Murray and Herrnstein did), and then pretending that extrapolates to a population at large does not seem credible. It seems far more reasonable to point to the overall lower IQ score in Israel than European countires as proof that Ashkenazi Jews dont' have any special IQ advantage.

[Uncle Miltie]

"It seems far more reasonable to point to the overall lower IQ score in Israel than European countires as proof that Ashkenazi Jews dont' have any special IQ advantage."

Are you willing or able to tease out the Arab and Sephardic populations?

[Uncle Miltie]

Just working with the statistics in the post. Do you have alternate stats that seriously corrupt the 3,000X advantage Jews hold over Muslims in Nobels Prizes? Do your stats reverse the conclusion?

[rabidralph]

Yes, but they all vote for democrats and most are communists.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Islam is a blight upon the world in almost every respect particularly in the area of intellectual achievement.

[Andrew Byler]

See number 47 above.

[Andrew Byler]

Do you have alternate stats that seriously corrupt the 3,000X advantage Jews hold over Muslims in Nobels Prizes? Do your stats reverse the conclusion?

I don't think you need stats to do anything of the sort. It is what it is. The Nobel prizes are given out for outstanding apptitude in a few specialized fields of human endeavor. I don't think its surprising to anyone that a culture like Judaism that highly values scholarly achievement will excel at this. It doesn't prove they have a higher overall IQ or more geniuses than elsewhere. Moreover, other than chemistry and medicine, these fields have little direct relevance to the daily lives of most people in the world in their struggles to make a living and improve their society and culture. Also many geniuses in nations with a strong independent rural tradition simply never go on to higher learning, and remain in their world of agriculture and mechanics because it is what they want to do. It is certainly that way in America. It would be interesting to know what the typical occupations of intelligent Arabs are.

I know for a fact that Arabs are known to excel in various fields just like Jews are. If you are in the Engineering business for example, its not long before you run into highly accomplished Arab Civil and Structural Engineers. But there is no Nobel Prize for Civil Engineering or Architecture, so their achievements in the field will not be recognized in the same way as a break-through in theoretical physics, or kissing up to the leftist peaceniks, or writing some modernist literary screed will.

[Andrew Byler]

Islam is a blight upon the world in almost every respect particularly in the area of intellectual achievement.

That's certainly true for modern Islam in the world since the rise of the Ottoman Sultanate circa AD 1300. However, before the Ottoman's took leadership of the Muslim world, there were quite a number of intellectual accomplishments coming from them, as anyone familiar with history can attest.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Many of the achievements attributed to the Islamic world of the past was the result of mining the corpse of the Christian culture that Mo and his followers destroyed more than original creations from Islamic thought.

Islam grew through attacking and eventually overwhelming the high cultures of the Christian middle east and the Persian civilization. It unleashed a savage horde out of the Arabian deserts and conquered through fanaticism and terror. This was gangster culture writ large based almost entirely on looting to secure the alligance of Mo’s followers. Very little spiritual insight or concern was involved.

[js1138]

It has been known for at least 100 years the average IQ below the Sudan is 70 or less.

Sounds like pseudoscience to me. There are virtually no schools anywhere in Sudan outside Khartoum -- I don't know, but I suspect that might have something to do with recorded IQ scores.

I hope I'm wrong, Shrinker, but your posts strike me as yet another hopeless attempt to legitimize racial hierarchies.

It's possible to find references to back this up. if you don't care about such niceties as actual testing. But it's basically racist pap. What do you expect on FR?

It also fails to note that the same kind of estimates that give average IQs in the 70s for underdeveloped nations, yield an average IQ of 75 for the United States a hundred years or so ago. It could be cultural, or it could be the result of malnutrition and disease. In any case, average IQs rise with industrialization and wealth.