Posted on 04/06/2007 10:51:52 AM PDT by grundle
LOL! That’s just bizarre looking.
Indian citizens have also had the freedom to move abroad and seek their fortunes elsewhere...add those incomes into the equation and it will not seem so skewed. Furthermore, whereas Indians have been generally politically free, there are religio-cultural issues that have repressed people's civil rights beyond the government's ability to protect them (i.e. the caste system.)...a similar argument could be made about the Jim Crow south in the US.
And yes, while the per capita income of Equat. Guinea may be higher, that's more the result of a low overall population. If you look at the disparity between wealthy and poor, I'd be willing to wager you'd also find one of the biggest gaps of any nation in the world....
...bottom line, the backwardness of most islamic nations is a result primarily of...well, their being islamic nations.
I didn’t write this, so the spelling mistakes aren’t mine.
A country will be rich or poor depending on how much it does or doesn’t respect property rights. Just compare South Korea to North Korea, or Botswana to Ethiopia, or the U.S. to Cuba.
http://pages.towson.edu/trhoads/AmericaOne.html
30% of the US population is black and hispanic, yet the average US IQ is higher than Israel's in that list. That only makes sense mathematically if the typical white America has a higher IQ than the typical Israeli Jew. Given that the Ashkenazi are something like 60% or more of Israel's population, if they really averaged a 115 IQ, the average IQ of Israel would be among the highest in the world.
.6*115+.2*85+.2*85=103
The actual score of 94 implies an Ashkenazi IQ of 100.
The number of Jews is the US plus Israel is more than 12 million.
Lets work with real statistics, shall we?
It doesn't take much thought to start rejecting some of the points in this article.
"In 1954, a psychologist used those test results to identify all 28 children in the New York public-school system with measured IQ’s of 170 or higher. Of those 28, 24 were Jews."
And ALSO at the time, NYC had a huge Jewish population in comparison to today, and much of the non-Jewish white population was in private or parochial schools, especially the portion of the population we would expect to have a higher IQ (children of the wealthy and successful). Why WOULDN'T we expect overwhelming Jewish dominance of a public school test from 1950's NYC?
About 1 million Jews were killed in the revolts against the Romans in Judea and Egypt.
During the Jewish revolt Vespasian only had four legions XII Fulminata, XV Apollinaris, X Fretensis and V Macedonica to do the killing. It seems quite unlikely that 4 legions of 6200 (even with the back-up of additional auxilliaries) could slaughter 1 million or even 500,000 at arms or in revolt. This questionable figure comes from Josephus, who claims 1 million dead just in Jerusalem. Herodian Jerusalem was, as can be seen by the lines of the walls, a tiny place of 220 acres adequate for about 15,000 or so people both in size and in water resources (even today, modern Jerusalem on a vastly expanded footprint only has 725,000 people). Murray's lack of credulity with such numbers bespeaks to his general use of them in the article.
In general, taking IQ findings among a small self-selected sample of 100 or so in the US (as Murray and Herrnstein did), and then pretending that extrapolates to a population at large does not seem credible. It seems far more reasonable to point to the overall lower IQ score in Israel than European countires as proof that Ashkenazi Jews dont' have any special IQ advantage.
Are you willing or able to tease out the Arab and Sephardic populations?
Just working with the statistics in the post. Do you have alternate stats that seriously corrupt the 3,000X advantage Jews hold over Muslims in Nobels Prizes? Do your stats reverse the conclusion?
Yes, but they all vote for democrats and most are communists.
Islam is a blight upon the world in almost every respect particularly in the area of intellectual achievement.
See number 47 above.
I don't think you need stats to do anything of the sort. It is what it is. The Nobel prizes are given out for outstanding apptitude in a few specialized fields of human endeavor. I don't think its surprising to anyone that a culture like Judaism that highly values scholarly achievement will excel at this. It doesn't prove they have a higher overall IQ or more geniuses than elsewhere. Moreover, other than chemistry and medicine, these fields have little direct relevance to the daily lives of most people in the world in their struggles to make a living and improve their society and culture. Also many geniuses in nations with a strong independent rural tradition simply never go on to higher learning, and remain in their world of agriculture and mechanics because it is what they want to do. It is certainly that way in America. It would be interesting to know what the typical occupations of intelligent Arabs are.
I know for a fact that Arabs are known to excel in various fields just like Jews are. If you are in the Engineering business for example, its not long before you run into highly accomplished Arab Civil and Structural Engineers. But there is no Nobel Prize for Civil Engineering or Architecture, so their achievements in the field will not be recognized in the same way as a break-through in theoretical physics, or kissing up to the leftist peaceniks, or writing some modernist literary screed will.
That's certainly true for modern Islam in the world since the rise of the Ottoman Sultanate circa AD 1300. However, before the Ottoman's took leadership of the Muslim world, there were quite a number of intellectual accomplishments coming from them, as anyone familiar with history can attest.
Many of the achievements attributed to the Islamic world of the past was the result of mining the corpse of the Christian culture that Mo and his followers destroyed more than original creations from Islamic thought.
Islam grew through attacking and eventually overwhelming the high cultures of the Christian middle east and the Persian civilization. It unleashed a savage horde out of the Arabian deserts and conquered through fanaticism and terror. This was gangster culture writ large based almost entirely on looting to secure the alligance of Mo’s followers. Very little spiritual insight or concern was involved.
Sounds like pseudoscience to me. There are virtually no schools anywhere in Sudan outside Khartoum -- I don't know, but I suspect that might have something to do with recorded IQ scores.
I hope I'm wrong, Shrinker, but your posts strike me as yet another hopeless attempt to legitimize racial hierarchies.
It's possible to find references to back this up. if you don't care about such niceties as actual testing. But it's basically racist pap. What do you expect on FR?
It also fails to note that the same kind of estimates that give average IQs in the 70s for underdeveloped nations, yield an average IQ of 75 for the United States a hundred years or so ago. It could be cultural, or it could be the result of malnutrition and disease. In any case, average IQs rise with industrialization and wealth.
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