Posted on 04/04/2007 5:41:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Does CO2 really drive global warming?
I dont believe that it does.
To the contrary, if you apply the IFF testif-and-only-if or necessary-and-sufficientthe outcome would appear to be exactly the reverse. Rather than the rising levels of carbon dioxide driving up the temperature, the logical conclusion is that it is the rising temperature that is driving up the CO2 level. Of course, this raises a raft of questions, but they are all answerable. What is particularly critical is distinguishing between the observed phenomenon, or the what, from the governing mechanism, or the why. Confusion between these two would appear to be the source of much of the noise in the global warming debate.
In applying the IFF test, we can start with the clear correlation between the global CO2 profile and the corresponding temperature signature. There is now in the literature the report of a 400,000-year sequence clearly showing, as a phenomenon, that they go upand downtogether (1). The correlation is clear and accepted. But the causation, the mechanism, is something else: Which is driving which?
Logically, there are four possible explanations, but only two need serious consideration, unless they both fail.
Both appear at first to be possible, but both then generate crucial origin and supplementary questions. For Case 1, the origin question is: What is the independent source of CO2 that drives the CO2 level both up and down, and which in turn, somehow, is presumed to drive the temperature up and down? For Case 2, it is: What drives the temperature, and if this then drives the CO2, where does the CO2 come from? For Case 2, the questions are answerable; but for Case 1, they are not.
Consider Case 2. This directly introduces global warming behavior. Is global warming, as a separate and independent phenomenon, in progress? The answer, as I heard it in geology class 50 years ago, was yes, and I have seen nothing since then to contradict that position. To the contrary, as further support, there is now documentation (that was only fragmentary 50 years ago) of an 850,000-year global-temperature sequence, showing that the temperature is oscillating with a period of 100,000 years, and with an amplitude that has risen, in that time, from about 5 °F at the start to about 10 °F today (meaning the latest 100,000-year period) (2). We are currently in a rise that started 25,000 years ago and, reasonably, can be expected to peak very shortly.
On the shorter timescales of 1000 years and 100 years, further temperature oscillations can be seen, but of much smaller amplitude, down to 1 and 0.5 °F in those two cases. Nevertheless, the overall trend is clearly up, even through the Little Ice Age (~13501900) following the Medieval Warm Period. So the global warming phenomenon is here, with a very long history, and we are in it. But what is the driver?
Arctic Ocean model
The postulated driver, or mechanism, developed some 30 years ago to account for the million-year temperature oscillations, is best known as the Arctic Ocean model (2). According to this model, the temperature variations are driven by an oscillating ice cap in the northern polar regions. The crucial element in the conceptual formulation of this mechanism was the realization that such a massive ice cap could not have developed, and then continued to expand through that development, unless there was a major source of moisture close by to supply, maintain, and extend the cap. The only possible moisture source was then identified as the Arctic Ocean, which, therefore, had to be opennot frozen overduring the development of the ice ages. It then closed again, interrupting the moisture supply by freezing over.
So the model we now have is that if the Arctic Ocean is frozen over, as is the case today, the existing ice cap is not being replenished and must shrink, as it is doing today. As it does so, the Earth can absorb more of the Suns radiation and therefore will heat upglobal warmingas it is doing today, so long as the Arctic Ocean is closed. When it is warm enough for the ocean to open, which oceanographic (and media) reports say is evidently happening right now, then the ice cap can begin to re-form.
As it expands, the ice increasingly reflects the incoming (shorter-wave) radiation from the sun, so that the atmosphere cools at first. But then, the expanding ice cap reduces the radiative (longer-wave) loss from the Earth, acting as an insulator, so that the Earth below cools more slowly and can keep the ocean open as the ice cap expands. This generates out-of-sync oscillations between atmosphere and Earth. The Arctic Ocean trip behavior at the temperature extremes, allowing essentially discontinuous change in direction of the temperature, is identified as a bifurcation system with potential for analysis as such. The suggested trip times for the change are interesting: They were originally estimated at about 500 years, then reduced to 50 years and, most recently, down to 5 years (2). So, if the ocean is opening right now, we could possibly start to see the temperature reversal under way in about 10 years.
What we have here is a sufficient mechanistic explanation for the dominant temperature fluctuations and, particularly, for the current global warming risewithout the need for CO2 as a driver. Given that pattern, the observed CO2 variations then follow, as a driven outcome, mainly as the result of change in the dynamic equilibrium between the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere and its solution in the sea. The numbers are instructive. In 1995, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) data on the carbon balance showed ~90 gigatons (Gt) of carbon in annual quasi-equilibrium exchange between sea and atmosphere, and an additional 60-Gt exchange between vegetation and atmosphere, giving a total of ~150 Gt (3). This interpretation of the sea as the major source is also in line with the famous Mauna Loa CO2 profile for the past 40 years, which shows the consistent season-dependent variation of 56 ppm, up and down, throughout the yearwhen the average global rise is only 1 ppm/year.
In the literature, this oscillation is attributed to seasonal growing behavior on the mainland (4), which is mostly China, >2000 mi away, but no such profile with that amplitude is known to have been reported at any mainland location. Also, the amplitude would have to fall because of turbulent diffusive exchange during transport over the 2000 mi from the mainland to Hawaii, but again there is lack of evidence for such behavior. The fluctuation can, however, be explained simply from study of solution equilibria of CO2 in water as due to emission of CO2 from and return to the sea around Hawaii governed by a ±10 °F seasonal variation in the sea temperature.
Impact of industrialization
The next matter is the impact of fossil fuel combustion. Returning to the IPCC data and putting a rational variation as noise of ~5 Gt on those numbers, this float is on the order of the additionalalmost trivial (<5%)annual contribution of 56 Gt from combustion of fossil fuels. This means that fossil fuel combustion cannot be expected to have any significant influence on the system unless, to introduce the next point of focus, the radiative balance is at some extreme or bifurcation point that can be tripped by small concentration changes in the radiation-absorbingemitting gases in the atmosphere. Can that include CO2?
This now starts to address the necessity or only-if elements of the problem. The question focuses on whether CO2 in the atmosphere can be a dominant, or only-if radiative-balance gas, and the answer to that is rather clearly no. The detailed support for that statement takes the argument into some largely esoteric areas of radiative behavior, including the analytical solution of the SchusterSchwarzschild Integral Equation of Transfer that governs radiative exchange (57), but the outcome is clear.
The central point is that the major absorbing gas in the atmosphere is water, not CO2, and although CO2 is the only other significant atmospheric absorbing gas, it is still only a minor contributor because of its relatively low concentration. The radiative absorption cross sections for water and CO2 are so similar that their relative influence depends primarily on their relative concentrations. Indeed, although water actually absorbs more strongly, for many engineering calculations the concentrations of the two gases are added, and the mixture is treated as a single gas.
In the atmosphere, the molar concentration of CO2 is in the range of 350400 ppm. Water, on the other hand, has a very large variation but, using the 60/60 (60% relative humidity [RH] at 60 °F) value as an average, then from the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers standard psychrometric chart, the weight ratio of water to (dry) air is ~0.0065, or roughly 10,500 ppm. Compared with CO2, this puts water, on average, at 2530 times the (molar) concentration of the CO2, but it can range from a 1:1 ratio to >100:1.
Even closer focus on water is given by solution of the SchusterSchwarzschild equation applied to the U.S. Standard Atmosphere profiles for the variation of temperature, pressure, and air density with elevation (8). The results show that the average absorption coefficient obtained for the atmosphere closely corresponds to that for the 5.67.6-µm water radiation band, when water is in the concentration range 6080% RHon target for atmospheric conditions. The absorption coefficient is 12 orders of magnitude higher than the coefficient values for the CO2 bands at a concentration of 400 ppm. This would seem to eliminate CO2 and thus provide closure to that argument.
This overall position can be summarized by saying that water accounts, on average, for >95% of the radiative absorption. And, because of the variation in the absorption due to water variation, anything future increases in CO2 might do, water will already have done. The common objection to this argument is that the wide fluctuations in water concentration make an averaging (for some reason) impermissible. Yet such averaging is applied without objection to global temperatures, when the actual temperature variation across the Earth from poles to equator is roughly 100 to +100 °F, and a change on the average of ±1 °F is considered major and significant. If this averaging procedure can be applied to the atmospheric temperature, it can be applied to the atmospheric water content; and if it is denied for water, it must, likewise, be denied for temperaturein that case we dont have an identified problem!
What the evidence shows
So what we have on the best current evidence is that
The outcome is that the conclusions of advocates of the CO2-driver theory are evidently back to front: Its the temperature that is driving the CO2. If there are flaws in these propositions, Im listening; but if there are objections, lets have them with the numbers.
References
Robert H. Essenhigh is the E. G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion in the Department of Mechanical Engineering, Ohio State University, 206 W. 18th Ave., Columbus, OH 43210; 614-292-0403; essenhigh.1@osu.edu.
Thanks for your help. If I can figure out how to do that, I will.
One thing at a time.
Before we get onto the “ocean CO2 sink issues”, are we in agreement that the portions of this paper centered on discussion of the physics and chemistry of the relative contributions of *atmospheric* water vapor and CO2 are fundamentally flawed?
Which paper, my paper or your paper?
You need to put a reference at the beginning of your comment like I do so I know what you are talking about.
It's a common courtesy.
PS - Yours is a typical tactic of anthropogenic global-warming advocates: make things as confusing and complicated as possible so your point can't even be understood, much less refuted.
Sorry if that was unclear, I was referring to the paper being discussed in the header of this topic.
Yours is a typical tactic of anthropogenic global-warming advocates: make things as confusing and complicated as possible so your point can't even be understood, much less refuted.
The author makes a "complicated" technical argument.
As is sometimes the case when someone analyzes a problem from the perspective of narrow technical knowledge, some of his fundamental assumptions are in error and/or the author is unaware that questions raised have already been settled, or at least discussed in a fuller and more relevant context.
In this case the errors were discovered shortly after the time of publication, were discussed at the time (including in the journal where the original paper was published) and have been noted repeatedly since.
The article, however, keeps reappearing, stripped of the context that would allow readers to evaluate it.
The nature of these questions is often such that they are "confusing and complicated" to non-specialists, and in many cases intelligent lay readers are eventually going to have to make their pick of authorities.
But when you find an old paper which has attracted fundamental criticisms shortly after publication and has few if any technically competent current defenders, it's generally safe to assume that the critics were right.
I presumed that you linked to one of these articles.
Show me something from your article that proves my article "fundamentally flawed."
As you said, "One thing at a time."
The Realclimat.org link (and the discussion which follows, do a search in comments for Essenhigh and follow the links there) outlines the problems with the atmospheric chemistry and physics in Essenhighs paper. Essenhigh remains a global warming skeptic, but as far as I know he has not responded to professional criticism of this paper subsequent to 1992.
I'm not going to do your work for you.
If you have an argument, make it.
If you don't, shut up.
If you have an argument, make it.
If you don't, shut up.
Spoken like a true seeker after truth.
You have the link. You can follow it or not, as you choose.
If you can find a link where the author of this paper address professional criticism post 2002 please post it, and I will certainly read it.
But at this point we have an old paper, we have criticisms of the author's conclusions, and (as far as I've been able to determine) no response.
At this point, the argument is not mine to make.
Actually, it does exist. And as the article pointed out, it has been happening for millions (billions) of years. The argument is whether mans activities influences it anymore than the natural cycles that have existed since time began, and will exist long after we've turned to dust, and released the CO2 in our bodies back into the atmo.
I'm of the opinion that the universe is a very large, and very complex place, and we're pretty damn arrogant to think we know it all. We don't.
That, and the global warming "crisis" is in itself a man made phenomenon designed to redistribute the wealth of nations, and hobble continued grown and advancement of the west in general, and the USA in particular.
Spoken like a true religious zealot.
No ideas of your own, just things and people you have a religious belief in.
You can't even express or defend your beliefs yourself, you have to post links to the words of your religious leaders.
Global warming dogma truly is a religion, and you just proved it.
I guess I sould have done a better job of communicating my point. What I meant to say is that global warming as a consequence of man’s existence does not exist. This earth has been going through climactic changes since it’s beginning.
You can't even express or defend your beliefs yourself, you have to post links to the words of your religious leaders. Global warming dogma truly is a religion, and you just proved it."
You have it backwards there, I think.
This is exactly the opposite of debating something like religious doctrine, where everybody has an opinion, every body's opinion is of equal validity on an objective basis, and the more adroit debater "wins".
Expressing "my opinion" (except in so far as I might summarize the arguments) in the case of a technical debate over atmospheric chemistry and physics is pretty pointless in such cases, what anyone who wants to understand the question has to do is go back, read the paper, and read the responses, and attempt to evaluate which is the more reasonable position - there just is no other, easier, way to do it, and no one else can do it for you,
I've done my part - read the original, read the responses, attempted to discover if the author as responded to criticism of the original paper, especially in the last few years (as far as I can determine, he hasn't), and reached the best judgement I can, and pointed you the relevant material I have been able to discover.
If you have done the same, and arrived at a different opinion, IMO the productive thing to do is to take up the question with either the original author or his critics - it's easy to post (for example) and realclimat.org, and the moderators ad posters there are generally quick to respond to substantive comments - you will, though, have to raise substantive issues with regard to the criticism of the paper presented there.
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