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The Coulter Hoax: How Ann Coulter Exposed the Intelligent Design Movement
Talk Reason (from Skeptical Inquirer) ^ | March 14, 2007 | Peter Olofsson

Posted on 03/31/2007 1:48:09 PM PDT by EveningStar

In the summer of 2006, I heard that a new book called Godless presented an insightful and devastating criticism of the theory of evolution. Although I learned that its author, Ann Coulter, is not a scientist but a lawyer turned author and TV pundit, she nevertheless appeared to be an intelligent and well-educated person, so I started reading. At first I was puzzled. There did not seem to be anything new; only tired and outdated antievolution arguments involving moths, finches, and fruit flies. But it wasn't until Coulter dusted off the old Piltdown man story that I suddenly realized: it was a hoax! And it was brilliant...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; antifreepers; antiscience; coulter; creation; creationism; creationistwhinefest; cutnpaste; evolution; evolutionism; fsmdidit; hogwash; idjunkscience; intelligentdesign; skankybitch; textdump
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To: K4Harty
The arctic graveyards, the Malta caves and Mt. Edna all have voluminous fossil graveyards with literally thousands of fossils piled on top of each other caused by something (volcanic activity, deluvian action or mass geological upheaval) I long for more recent reports on such activities

I imagine such "reports" are distributed in various venues, but mass casualty events in nature which could easily lead to future "voluminous fossil graveyards" are happening all the time. Flash floods and river floods commonly kill hundreds or thousands of animals, and often enough aggregrate their remains. Red tides and other algal blooms regularly asphixiate untold thousands of marine creatures. There are many other examples. If you want a creationist source see the discussion in Davis A. Young's Creation and the Flood.

301 posted on 04/01/2007 9:15:01 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Axlrose; Ichneumon
His post was 100% propaganda.

100%, eh? O.K., then, just for instance, take Ichy's pointing out the plain, factual flaws in Coulter's "daffodil" aside: that the figure was arbitrary and made up in the source, but that Coulter treated it as factual; and that the 35% percent genetic similarity was meaningless in relation to morphological similarity (since genomes will match at least 25% just by chance); etc. How exactly is that "propaganda"?

302 posted on 04/01/2007 9:35:59 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Axlrose
LOL the science people don't know what they are talking about. They have strayed, and they shall be judged.

Persuasive stuff there Axlrose! Stop your godless science, or reap the whirlwind! Bwaahaahaa!

303 posted on 04/01/2007 9:45:05 AM PDT by Youngblood
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To: EveningStar

Where is the "Yawn Alert"? The problem isn't evolution, regarding which there are truths and myths alike, but far more truth. I.D. is just a joke, and not the solution. The problem is Marxist educators excluding any consideration of God in education. They must be purged.


304 posted on 04/01/2007 9:54:30 AM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
The problem is Marxist educators excluding any consideration of God in education. They must be purged.

Marxist educators? Problem.

Excluding magic in science classes? Not a problem.

305 posted on 04/01/2007 9:58:52 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: Wormwood

You must think the Bible full of magic, and his Churches full of wizards.


306 posted on 04/01/2007 10:08:57 AM PDT by Axlrose
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To: Stultis

Because it is based on quasi marxist pseudo science.

Evolution is just a theory, and a flawed one at that.


307 posted on 04/01/2007 10:11:46 AM PDT by Axlrose
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To: Axlrose
Evolution is just a theory, and a flawed one at that.

Is that your professional opinion or your religious belief?

308 posted on 04/01/2007 10:12:48 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman

I don't need to be a trained pilot to know that a pig cannot fly, besides there is such a thing as a professional evo ?


309 posted on 04/01/2007 10:14:36 AM PDT by Axlrose
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To: Axlrose
Because it is based on quasi marxist pseudo science.

Huh? How is clearing up a false claim about daffodils, and pointing out its questionably relevancy in any case, "based on quasi marxist pseudo science"???

You are an actual person, right? Because (at least in the present instance) you post like a poorly programed chatterbot, which constructions typically output a few irrelevant stock phrases when they haven't been able to parse the input.

310 posted on 04/01/2007 10:21:04 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Axlrose
I don't need to be a trained pilot to know that a pig cannot fly, besides there is such a thing as a professional evo

If you don't know the details of the theory of evolution your opinion is worth little.

I am not sure of your second point. I think it is that there is no such thing as a professional in the field of evolution?

If so, you're wrong again. (I did six years in grad school, half of which was in that field.)

311 posted on 04/01/2007 10:28:26 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: dread78645
Did you ever try the chocolate bar in the microwave?

Will you ever get off the kick? Magnetrons notwithstanding, reported measurements of the speed of light have changed over the years.

312 posted on 04/01/2007 10:50:03 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: WOSG
"The earth is 4 billion years old. Lots of time for changes."

It can't be. The moon wouldn't be where it is today if it was, and that fact alone throws every evolution theory on it's arse. Which is why it's never mentioned in any evo theories.

313 posted on 04/01/2007 11:00:22 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Coyoteman
The date of the global flood, as estimated by biblical scholars

Various non-biblical scholars have offered their estimates too. Cremo, Hancock, et. al. and I still have no definite opinion about the dates. They are all best guesses when looking at it from a scientific standpoint. As with geology, there are plenty of signs of hydrological movement but it cannot be put into an all encompassing nice, neat order on a global scale. That is part of the problem for deluvian modelers, self inclined. It's part of the passion I have for the related field works. I jsut wish we could get all the raw data and not have to work from the sieves of Nature and other peer-reviewed journals. That info is cleaned, scrubbed and sanitized. IMO

314 posted on 04/01/2007 11:02:12 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my Hummer with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Stultis
Thanks for the post, I have read most available materials related to it on the C/ID sites as well as other non-same sites. I am still looking for more and the post to Ichy was for leads and links, which one was provided but I have not had time to peruse yet.

Insatible appetite for data drives me all over the web.

315 posted on 04/01/2007 11:04:53 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (I buy gas for my Hummer with the Carbon Offsets I sell on Ebay!)
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To: Nathan Zachary
The moon wouldn't be where it is today if it was, and that fact alone throws every evolution theory on it's arse. Which is why it's never mentioned in any evo theories.

Response (from Index to Creationist Claims, Claim CE110):

(See original for references.)

Looks like you're wrong again!

316 posted on 04/01/2007 11:06:53 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
" If you don't know the details of the theory of evolution your opinion is worth little."

Theory? as in ONE?

Gee, I'd sure like to see that too. All there is are theories (as in hundreds) all of which clash with each other, and a few formula's developed to arrive at a pre-determined conclusion. hardly what I would call a sound theory with the many required predictions which must come to pass. In fact, of the predictions made, many of them have failed.

317 posted on 04/01/2007 11:09:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Stultis; Jim Robinson
I think I was fairly clear in referring to the volume of material posted not the point of view. Posts including an absurd number of paragraphs disrupt a thread. Backup materials can be placed on another page and referenced via links which is more efficient.

I am surprised that the Robinsons haven't placed some limit on the number of lines that can be placed in a single post. Apparently there is no limit and some people take advantage of that and hijack a thread.

318 posted on 04/01/2007 11:16:25 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Stultis; Ichneumon; WOSG; plain talk; fish hawk

Stultis, you wrote:

>> The subject is Ann Coulter on evolution. Ichneumon's post was entirely focused on exactly that subject.

which is incorrect in two ways:
1) The thread topic concerns Peter Olofsson's view on Coulter.
2) Ichneumon's post was retaliatory and heavy handed.

The real bones of contention involve secularism and Christianity and the weapons of choice are TOE and ID which are not necessarily exclusionary. The 'studity' and Talibanism you point to is unkind, unwarranted, and not something one can prove.


319 posted on 04/01/2007 11:47:31 AM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Axlrose
You must think the Bible full of magic, and his Churches full of wizards.

Fairly silly magic and dismal wizardry, but you are essentially correct.

320 posted on 04/01/2007 11:50:15 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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