The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warns

The Times (UK) ^ | March 27, 2007 | Richard Owen

[Iscool]

Exactly...Fire and Brimstone...Brimstone is sulphur...Sulphur burns with no flame...

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Baptism is an ordinace where a believer publicly professes their belief in Christ. In every Biblical instance, Baptism always follows professed belief, and belief always comes after the Word.

You ought to stick with what the Bible says, and not what the Catholic church says.

Go straight to the source.

>>It is disingenuous to say that Christ's Sacrifice is all-sufficient<<

Then you clearly don't accept the Bible as truth:

"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. - 2 Cor 12:9

To suggest that Christ's sacrifice onthe cross wasn't sufficient, and that we somehow have to meet him half-way in order to earn our salvation is an outright lie that has no basis in scripture.

Salvation is appointed from before the foundation of the world, a gift to God's elect (read Ephesians). Not everyone will go to heaven, in fact few will (Mt. 7:14)

>>even our own faith is moot<<

Faith is the product of salvation, not the cause of it. God calls, and we respond - not the other way around.

[pissant]

Yes, he is.

[pissant]

St. Aquinas. A giant in the histroy of Christianity.

[pgyanke]

I just hope the Pope doesnt end up apologizing for saying this like he apologized for offending the muzzies.

Your sources, the MSM, misinformed you. He said he was sorry that Muslims chose to become violent over his remarks but he never backed down on his words and his purpose.

[mugs99]

The body in Hell will experience severe pain, something beyond what is known in the world. The pain will be in every cubic inch of your Hell body.

Makes God sound like a monster.
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[NeoCaveman]

Is this the same thing as "Purgatory"?

Nope that's different.

[wtc911]

In summary, God can know all but doesn't always choose to know all.

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God is omniscient or He isn't.

[pgyanke]

I think the bumper-sticker has a good idea: "Some people are here to be examples to the rest...".

[Iscool]

Hell and Satan exist?
Yep,right here on Earth.

Yet I truly believe a God of love and mercy would not condemn those of us whose sins have been chasing a few girls,cheating on a test or stealing candy from a store. Hell is for those like Pol Pot,Hitler,Stalin,Saddam,etc.The REAL bad folks of which there are way too many as it is.

You are so wrong on a couple of things...You think living on earth in the US is Hell??? It's a pretty nice Hell if you live in parts of India, Cambodia or Africa...

None of the things you mentioned will send you to Hell...There's only one thing that will send you to Hell...That's the refusal to accept Jesus as your Savior...

[Campion]

Baptism is an ordinace where a believer publicly professes their belief in Christ.

The Bible doesn't say that.

In every Biblical instance, Baptism always follows professed belief, and belief always comes after the Word.

No, there are examples in Acts where entire households are baptized. In Acts 2, St. Peter tells a Jewish audience used to circumcizing babies at 8 days of age, "The promise is to you and to your children".

The fathers say that infant baptism was a practice received from the apostles.

You ought to stick with what the Bible says, and not what the Catholic church says.

You ought to stick with what the Bible actually says, and not how your Baptist tradition understands it.

[agere_contra]

To suggest that Christ's sacrifice onthe cross wasn't sufficient, and that we somehow have to meet him half-way in order to earn our salvation is an outright lie that has no basis in scripture.

Colossians 1:24: Now I can find joy amid my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my own person whatever is lacking in Christ's afflictions on behalf of His Body, the Church.

[Campion]

Purgatory is a fantasy invented by men who believe that people can work their way into salvation.

Nonsense. Only those who are saved even get to purgatory, so nobody can "work their way into salvation" there.

[WesternCulture]

While I respect the Pope and don't wish to offend any Catholic, I still think it's of utmost importance that each and everyone here realizes that what the Pope says in this area Catholics and Catholics ALONE have to comply with.

Personally, I was baptized by the biggest Lutheran Church in the world, The Church of Sweden, a 'State Church' till the year of 2000. This alliance of church and state might not be very well known by Christians today, but at least it achieved two things:

1. Thanks to the overwhelming power of its superior war machine (German cities fell like domino pieces) during The Thirty Years' War 1618-1648, it eradicated Catholicism once and for all from large parts of Northern Europe (predominantly from areas today belonging to Germany) and secured the future of Protestantism.

2. Some years ago, it declared its belief to be that hell does NOT exist, which means members of this church don't have to worry about this issue.

About The Thirty Years' War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_years_war

Yes, the Vikings were impressive, but Gustavus Adolphus is perhaps the best warrior Scandinavia has ever produced:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavus_Adolphus

Nice (although a bit old) clip featuring what Swedish, Protestant warriors look like today:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dkeQ1sNUOKE

Any army can make a PR video like this, but it's only soldiers like these that have made it impossible for other nations to entirely beat us in a war (we've lost battles, but Sweden has never been completely crushed like Germany, France, Poland, Italy, The Roman Empire etc and Sweden has never been occupied or even properly invaded by another country).

Since almost 200 years, we Swedes are spared from war and other kinds of hell. We've suffered enough throughout history in order to keep our tiny little Thule paradise to ourselves!

Again, No offense!

[denydenydeny]

People like child-murderers are one of the reason why Hell makes perfect sense. For certain crimes, there is simply no suitable punishment this side of the grave.

[Delta 21]

Amen and BTTT

[delacoert]

Only a child could believe in hell.

Ironically, someone rather noteworthy once said, "except ye be as children you shall never see the Kingdom of Heaven," but you probably already knew that.

[ElkGroveDan]

The debating society have arrived.

[Paulus Invictus]

Hell is right here in the US in LA on a bad smog day. It gets so bad they send a lot of smog here to the Grand Canyon area. Ahnold is going to stop smog, he says.

[Frank Sheed]

Limbo is not Purgatory. Limbo is/was thought to be a place where the souls of unbaptized children would rest until the Final Judgment occurs.

Purgatory is the location where the souls of those who are not filled with sanctifying grace are "purged" until they can finally behold the Beatific Vision of God. Those in Purgatory know that they will see God at some point which is a cause of hope, but cannot behold Him now with their imperfections which is a cause for their misery.