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To: pgyanke

Baptism is an ordinace where a believer publicly professes their belief in Christ. In every Biblical instance, Baptism always follows professed belief, and belief always comes after the Word.

You ought to stick with what the Bible says, and not what the Catholic church says.

Go straight to the source.

>>It is disingenuous to say that Christ's Sacrifice is all-sufficient<<

Then you clearly don't accept the Bible as truth:

"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. - 2 Cor 12:9

To suggest that Christ's sacrifice onthe cross wasn't sufficient, and that we somehow have to meet him half-way in order to earn our salvation is an outright lie that has no basis in scripture.

Salvation is appointed from before the foundation of the world, a gift to God's elect (read Ephesians). Not everyone will go to heaven, in fact few will (Mt. 7:14)

>>even our own faith is moot<<

Faith is the product of salvation, not the cause of it. God calls, and we respond - not the other way around.


42 posted on 03/27/2007 11:52:15 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("All that hath life and breath, come now with praises before Him.")
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
Baptism is an ordinace where a believer publicly professes their belief in Christ.

The Bible doesn't say that.

In every Biblical instance, Baptism always follows professed belief, and belief always comes after the Word.

No, there are examples in Acts where entire households are baptized. In Acts 2, St. Peter tells a Jewish audience used to circumcizing babies at 8 days of age, "The promise is to you and to your children".

The fathers say that infant baptism was a practice received from the apostles.

You ought to stick with what the Bible says, and not what the Catholic church says.

You ought to stick with what the Bible actually says, and not how your Baptist tradition understands it.

51 posted on 03/27/2007 12:01:17 PM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
To suggest that Christ's sacrifice onthe cross wasn't sufficient, and that we somehow have to meet him half-way in order to earn our salvation is an outright lie that has no basis in scripture.

Colossians 1:24: Now I can find joy amid my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my own person whatever is lacking in Christ's afflictions on behalf of His Body, the Church.

52 posted on 03/27/2007 12:02:30 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I have a strong feeling you write for the MSM. That is the only way you could feel vindication in lifting half of a sentence which agrees with what you have written and hit me over the head with it. Where we disagree is that Baptism must be received consciously and in faith. Just as birth brings you to your earthly family, so Baptism enters you into God's family. Adults must make a conscious decision because they must come to God and can refuse God's grace... an infant is an empty vessel to be filled.
63 posted on 03/27/2007 12:13:42 PM PDT by pgyanke (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR PRINCIPLES ANYWAY... WHY WAIT?)
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