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To: blackbeardsghost; All

Geeeeee .. what a great bunch of Christians you guys are.

It's pretty difficult to fly all over the world and minister to people when you have to stand in line at airports and be stranded for hours, etc.

I'd just like to see ONE OF YOU keep the schedule the Copelands keep.

Gloria said this, and it changed my life: "I'm no different than you .. I just got up one more time."

They're not rich because they TOOK MONEY FROM PEOPLE .. they're rich because GOD has blessed them for being obedient to HIM. You all need to read how GOD blessed Abraham .. who had TONS MORE STUFF THAN THE COPELANDS. Are you all jealous of Abraham too ..??

Too bad more of you whiners did not do the same, and seek GOD's blessing, instead of being jealous and envious of what the Copeland's have.

Shame on all of you!!


6 posted on 03/24/2007 12:10:47 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-By Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: CyberAnt

This is an issue of informed consent. No one is trying to shut these ministries down but people ought to know where their money is going, and Ministry Watch seems to be filling that role. Abuse and fraud by so-called religion leaders turn a lot of people away from all organized religion when it is exposed through a scandal. Better for true believers to help keep ministries accountable and in check than to see the entire ministry implode when it goes too far.


10 posted on 03/24/2007 12:28:57 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: CyberAnt
It's pretty difficult to fly all over the world and minister to people when you have to stand in line at airports and be stranded for hours, etc.

There are over 110 ministries based here in Colorado Springs. These people travel all over the world. And you know what...you won't see many private jets parked at our airport. I have seen many of these wonderful servants of God standing in line with me as I have traveled on business.

No one is indispensible...no one "needs" a $20 million jet!

13 posted on 03/24/2007 12:36:14 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: CyberAnt

God certainly did bless Abraham, but then again, Abraham raised sheep and worked very hard for what he had. These televangelists do nothing but steal from well-intentioned people who expect that their donations are going to the needy, or to support a ministry - not to support the lavish lifestyle of a "minister", and I loathe to use that word in conjunction with these thieves because that is all they are.

Paul lived in his little rented house in Rome, paid for by the hard work he put into tentmaking JUST SO no one could say-- "hey look, that Paul is just using God to get money." Paul knew people would talk, and it would look bad for the faith. Paul put God first, and no himself, which is why we still speak of our hero Paul today as being a great man, and the Crouch's and Copeland will one day, if there is any eartly justice, be thrown in prison where they belong.


15 posted on 03/24/2007 12:39:24 PM PDT by blackbeardsghost
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To: CyberAnt
Religion is a business like any other. People operate in their on self interest either materially or emotionally. Add to that that over 90% of the decisions you make are emotion based and not logic based.

Not necessarily a bad thing, that is what drives capitalism, and compassion. Imagine what the world would be like if it was 50/50 Logic/emotion?
18 posted on 03/24/2007 12:48:00 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: CyberAnt

How much [some? none?] do you donate to televangelists?


19 posted on 03/24/2007 12:49:21 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: CyberAnt

I rather like the Copelands in person. However, preachers on tv who behave like infomercial pitchmen are contributing far too much to the general public's distrust of Christianity.


20 posted on 03/24/2007 12:53:09 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: CyberAnt

I'll tell you what - that "shame" you want to spread around to all of us, including me? You keep it. These televangelists types want to convince people that that they don't have wealth because they're somehow not living right. That's a disgraceful manipulation. I don't begrudge them having above average lifestyles, but tying the "lesser" means of others to a lack of faith is where they lose me.


22 posted on 03/24/2007 1:16:55 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: CyberAnt
I'd just like to see ONE OF YOU keep the schedule the Copelands keep.

Yes, those layovers in Maui, Fiji, and Honolulu will flat wear you out.

And those exotic game hunts can be grueling, as well. "the Copeland jet, on its way to an evangelical seminar in Australia last October, made a two-day layover in Maui. Then it was on to the Fiji islands for another stop. After seven days in Australia, the Copelands headed to Honolulu for another three days of what they called "eating and rest."

23 posted on 03/24/2007 1:21:32 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: CyberAnt

Statements like this are the strongest arguments both for and against evolution at the same time; survival of the most gullible vs survival of the most persuasive.


29 posted on 03/24/2007 1:34:49 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: CyberAnt
they're rich because GOD has blessed them for being obedient to HIM

If God is blessing them, why do they need to ask for money?

30 posted on 03/24/2007 1:37:45 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: CyberAnt
I take it you're not a fan of the late Sam Kinnison?
32 posted on 03/24/2007 1:47:00 PM PDT by investigateworld (Those Border Patrol guys will do more time than the worst Jap POW camp commander, thanks Bush!.....)
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To: CyberAnt
“Geeeeee .. what a great bunch of Christians you guys are.”

I didn’t see your sarcasm tag.

Can we presume that was an oversight?

You were joking, right?
33 posted on 03/24/2007 1:52:30 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I am Zelda - Queen of the Viking Kitties!)
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To: CyberAnt

Whatever you do, if someone from Nigeria sends you an e-mail about helping with a financial transaction, don't respond!


34 posted on 03/24/2007 2:04:25 PM PDT by motzman (Met Fans for Rudy)
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To: CyberAnt

Just another hit piece on Christians...what's amazing is how easy folks get sucked into these drive by media slime bags....a whole bunch of suckers...I'd say.


40 posted on 03/24/2007 2:23:26 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: CyberAnt
It's pretty difficult to fly all over the world and minister to people when you have to stand in line at airports and be stranded for hours, etc. Gee I had an Aunt who ministered to the so called untouchables in India for thirty years, she opened a Hospital and orphanage and all with donations. But she never used any of those donations to enrich herself only to help the unfortunates in the world. She died in India about ten years ago among the poor that she so cared for. She was a Catholic nun. She died richer than any of the phony tears in their eyes so called T.V. ministers and Hucksters I have seen! Modern day Elmer Gantry's ought to get out of the TV studio and into a soup kitchen!
41 posted on 03/24/2007 2:24:08 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: CyberAnt
Shame on all of you!

Hey, I ain't the one who's willing to give these creeps money...

57 posted on 03/24/2007 3:14:39 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel ("...Mindless pack of trained Maoist circus seals."-www.iowahwk.typepad.com)
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To: CyberAnt

No, friend, they're rich because they took other people's money. It's quite simple, really.


83 posted on 03/25/2007 11:12:31 AM PDT by RepublicanPOTUSin08
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