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Mel Goes Ballistic -- "Lady, **** Off!"
TMZ.com ^ | 3-23-07 | TMZ Staff

Posted on 03/23/2007 10:19:54 AM PDT by Nachum

Edited on 03/23/2007 11:48:48 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

TMZ has learned Mel Gibson exploded in anger last night on a college campus after an expert on Mayan culture accussed him of racially stereotyping the Mayans in the movie "Apocalypto."

It happened last night at Cal State University at Northridge in the San Fernando Valley. Gibson was speaking to a film class about his movies, and several members of the Mayan community came to hear the famous director.

After Gibson's presentation, the crowd was allowed to ask questions. Alicia Estrada, an Assistant Professor of Central American Studies at CSUN, challenged Gibson, asking him if he had read about the Mayan culture before shooting the controversial film. Gibson said he had.

Estrada persisted, stating that representations in the movie that the Mayans engaged in sacrificial ceremonies and had bloodthirsty tendencies were both wrong and racist. Estrada and others tell TMZ that Gibson exploded in anger, responding, "Lady #### off."

We're told Gibson also became extremely angry when members of the Mayan community protested on how they were portrayed in the film. The emotional Mayan members were escorted out of the room, and we're told Gibson screamed a parting shot -- "Make your own movie!"

UPDATE: Gibson's publicist, Alan Nierob, told TMZ, "This person was a heckler who was rude and disrupted the event, so much so that the event organizers had to escort her out." For the record, Nierob, not Howard Rubenstein, reps Gibson.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: apologistos; ballistic; fword; gibson; goes; idioto; itsonlyamovie; mel; melbots; melsdumbkinfolk; thoughtcrime; unchristlike; wwjd
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To: bboop

I love it when their heads explode. They didn't give a rats ass when the L.A. Times had a column calling Obama a "Magic Negro." But when Limbaugh put on his parody of "Barack, the Magic Negro," - well - their heads exploded.


61 posted on 03/23/2007 10:43:17 AM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: Nachum
It happened last night at Cal State University at Northridge in the San Fernando Valley. Gibson was speaking to a film class about his movies, and several members of the Mayan community came to hear the famous director.

Members of the Mayan community? I thought they all died off seven hundred years ago!

As for Mel's response - Good on Ya, Mel! That's what those looney-tunes deserve. And from what little I know of the Mayans, human sacrifice was as regular as the rain in Central America!

62 posted on 03/23/2007 10:44:10 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Nachum

Mayan Basketabll

the winning captain and losing team was sometimes sacrificed

On some occasions post-game ceremonies featured the sacrifice of the captain and other players on the losing (some references say "winning")[citation needed] side. The association of the game with sacrifice and death was particularly marked on the Gulf coast. A loser's skull might be used as the core around which a new rubber ball would be made. (Conversely, guides at Chichen Itza assert that the prize for the winning team was to be deified by losing their heads, supposedly at the hands of the losing team.) Human sacrifice became a more common outcome of the ball game, particularly at the royal courts of powerful cities. Late Classic Maya nobles were warriors and ball players. A step on a hieroglyphic staircase at Yaxchilan, for example, shows King Bird Jaguar defeating a war captive in the ball game, and there is a written reference to a war captive on an altar in Tikal. War captives played ball against the war victors, with the outcome being predetermined. Following the game which was a ritual reenactment of the defeat of a city-state, the captives were commonly decapitated or their hearts were torn out for blood sacrifice. The walls of the principal ball court at Chichen Itza depict opposing teams, with the leader of the winning team holding the decapitated head of the opposing leader, who kneels with blood in the form of snakes spewing from his neck.




63 posted on 03/23/2007 10:44:21 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Malacoda

Reminds me of the Muzzies on the Dome of the Rock who say there never was a Jewish Temple on the site. "You can convince some of the people some of the time...."


64 posted on 03/23/2007 10:44:49 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: umgud

I was a little offended with his portrayal of people like me in Mad Max.

And he made The Thunderdome way more violent than it oftentimes is.

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.


65 posted on 03/23/2007 10:44:59 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Williams

None but they aren't noted for lining people up by the thousands and sacrificing them (the Aztecs did that) and the era of the great Mayan cities was over long before the Spanish showed up. It's the archaeology (buildings, clothing, art) that is supposed to be correct in this film, not the culture of human sacrifice.


66 posted on 03/23/2007 10:46:16 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Nachum
Is she related to this Estrada?


67 posted on 03/23/2007 10:46:36 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: ECM
I say again: If your culture hasn't done anything of any significance in a thousand years, you tend to get really picky about what went on before that.

I am so tired of the Noble Savage, and of the people who think that having done something amazing a millennium ago means everyone has to kow-tow to you today. Is there any serious socialist today who disputes the live sacrifice in that culture?

68 posted on 03/23/2007 10:47:03 AM PDT by 50sDad (Cultural Diversity means never having to say "I don't fit in.")
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To: discostu
Not to mention the unfair portrayal of gay sado-masochistic motorhead nihilists in The Road Warrior!
69 posted on 03/23/2007 10:47:57 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: Varda

Interesting. I have to wonder why Mel crossed the Aztec rituals over to the Mayans. I guess to make a big movie, huh.


70 posted on 03/23/2007 10:48:27 AM PDT by Williams
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To: nhoward14
All Brits who saw "The Patriot" should have been outraged at his portrayal of the British during the American Revolution as stuck up aristocrats who deemed the Americans to be uncivilized for not dressing up in flashy red coats and wearing hats with ostrich feathers in them during battle.

But that uniform was accurate and THOSE Brits were stuck up aristocrats.

71 posted on 03/23/2007 10:49:11 AM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: Nachum

Well, he has succeeded. He has transformed from an actor to a controversial Director like Stanley Kubrick. An unusual marketing tactic but it seems to have worked.


72 posted on 03/23/2007 10:49:48 AM PDT by Domicile of Doom (Hey boy why is there dirt in my hole? I dunno Boss.)
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To: Nachum

"emotional Mayan members"?

And it's "Mel" and "ballistic".

Sorry MSM, I stand with Mel on this one.

Hey you people, make your own dang movie about the Mayan culture.


73 posted on 03/23/2007 10:49:52 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Nachum
Estrada and others tell TMZ that Gibson exploded in anger, responding, "Lady, F**k off.


Exploded? I'll take that with a grain of salt. But if he did, so what? Too bad. More people need to tell these smug, self-righteous, race-baiting, pseudo-intellectual thugs to FOAD.
74 posted on 03/23/2007 10:50:05 AM PDT by macamadamia
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To: Jaded
I took a tour of Tikal in Guatemala several years ago. Our guide Ruben, a local who had lived in the area for his entire life, was very candid about the ritual sacrifices performed by the Mayans. And even how it was considered in the culture an honor to be selected for sacrifice!
75 posted on 03/23/2007 10:50:28 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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To: JerseyDvl

save for later


76 posted on 03/23/2007 10:50:28 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (STOP - Hildabeast, Shrillary, Hitlery, Billary, Her Thighness, Sen. Cankles, Dukakis-in-Drag)
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To: umgud

LOL!


77 posted on 03/23/2007 10:50:33 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: 50sDad

Good points.

The leftist "honor the noble savage" fore he is all knowing, all spiritual, all reverential is so pathetic. I'm loving the eco-geek leftists now atttacking the American Indians near the Grand Canyon for tainting mother earth with there skyway money maker. The eco-freeks must be so conflicted about there noble savages now.

PS: Go see 300 - and then write an editorial about how great the movie was lol.


78 posted on 03/23/2007 10:50:40 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Nachum

Oh, my. We can't be judgmental about cultures that sacrifice virgins and blow up their children to kill Jews. We can't do that.


79 posted on 03/23/2007 10:52:17 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: finnman69
...the winning captain and losing team was sometimes sacrificed...

And I am supposed to respect a vanished culture that kills it's most the most productive leaders because they achieve greatness? And for that matter, it take a great deal of fitness to prepare and train for any sporting event; why would you elimnate one half of the physically fit men from your breeding pool? If I wanted to reward failure, I'd vote Democrat.

80 posted on 03/23/2007 10:53:13 AM PDT by 50sDad (Cultural Diversity means never having to say "I don't fit in.")
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