Perspectives : ’Sudden Jihad Syndrome’ - A reason to carry firearms for self-defense

Journal Chretien ^ | 3/10/07 | Larry Pratt

[sig226]

I don't think I would call Robert Kennedy's murder part of a jihad, although I've heard numerous reasons for the murder. It strikes me as a political assassination. Other leaders have been murdered under similar circumstances - support for the enemy of the assassin. A technicality, yes, but I can assure you that I have counted how many angels can dance on the head of a pin and it's a lot.

The Munich Olympics were different. That was a planned attack carried out by a prepared group. That's also why the bombings of French and German clubs in the 1970s were omitted, as well as the mass murders in New York, London, Madrid, Czechnaya, Moscow and Bali.

Pratt's list is individuals who killed without support and preparation from an organization.

[sig226]

That was in Turkey, wasn't it? I think you're right about that one.

[M Kehoe]

If I recall correctly, the flight originated from Logan or JFK.

5.56mm

[Dutch Boy]

Sounds like one of the reasons the founders wrote the 2nd A.

[rawcatslyentist]

>"They get so filled with hatred from hearing Islamic sermons and visiting jihadi web sites that they decide to become freelance Jihadis.

You don't have to look that far. It's in their terrorist training manual aka the koranus!

"Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God." Sura 9:29

Sura 9:5 of the “Koranus,” “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

Queeranis-4:89— Take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. But if they turn renegades, seize them and kill them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

There's no reason to detain these peacefull people. Why let's give them preference to immigrate! They always improve every society they've ever come in contact with!

Aap aap ahh dap dap!!!!!
It's a religion of peace
It's a religion of peace

[KitJ]

Bumped and bookmarked...

[sig226]

EgyptAir flight 990, from JFK to Cairo, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off Massachusetts after the plane went into a dive so steep that the passengers would have experienced weightlessness. The co pilot's Islamic prayer was recorded by the cockpit voice recorder, and the flight data recorder recorded control positions and control inputs consistent with someone pushing the plane into a crash dive. Other articles said that the service crews may have used the wrong torque wrench on the elevator, which could cause the elevator to run away. I haven't found an NTSB report on it yet, so I can't say.

[Hardastarboard]

Sounds like one of the reasons the founders wrote the 2nd A.

Actually, you make an EXCELLENT point. I get really tired of the whole "The Second Amendment is about self defense" line, making it sound like it's about defending yourself from casual criminals when in fact it's about defending yourself from a criminal government. The Second Amendment, at its root, is about individuals having an obligation to defend our country from foreign invaders as needed. I like your point.

[diamond6]

I wish my husband would let me buy a gun.

[FreedomPoster]

Ping. Nice listing of possible/probable events.

[JoeFromSidney]

The Second Amendment, at its root, is about individuals having an obligation to defend our country from foreign invaders as needed.

May I recommend a recent novel, A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, by John J. Carpenter, ISBN 1-4137-8889-0? Very good read.

[SeafoodGumbo]

The 7 million Muzzies number is wayyy off, but this is a good list. If you, or any other Freepers, have a list of terrorist plots foiled in the United States (or that targeted Americans), could you please post a link in this thread? Thanks.

[The_Reader_David]

Not to distract from a serious topic, but, the following is a little puzzling:

ran down at least 14 people and a bicyclist.

When did bicyclists become subhuman?

[papertyger]

...so few bother to get permits, guns and training

I'm having a bit of a crisis if conscience lately.

I've been carrying without incident for about twenty years now, and due to some recent experiences I have had a profound reassessment of the sanctity and preciousness of any and all human life. To that end, for the most part, I have hung up my rig and started packing my rosary.

My distress comes from looking around at my fellow citzens and seeing what a vanishingly small percentage of them are actually prepared to deal with a sudden outbreak of SJS.

Either they conceal a whole lot better than I every did, or they are just going about their business like nothing has changed.

Who does one talk to in order to resolve such conflicts?

[swatbuznik]

"When did bicyclists become subhuman?"

If it's one of those yellow "Share-a-bikes" then just recently.

[sig226]

Wow. It seems to me that someone, or more than one person, close to you has died recently and that is changing your view on living and taking life.

I don't think I can help you, and I expect you won't get much help on the web. I was an EMT for many years and people literally died in my hands. I am familiar with death. I think I would be able to shoot if there was a life and death situation.

I think you have decided that it is most important to you not to take a life. I respect that, although I don't agree.

Under what circumstances would you find it acceptable to take a life?
A war?
A righteous war, like World War II?
How about a war in which the sides aren't so cut and dried, like Vietnam?
If a pyscho was holding a knife to your child's throat, could you kill that man?
If he was holding a knife to a perfect stranger?

Does your faith give you the strength to go to the funeral of the man who killed your children and pray for him, as the Friends did last year?

If you can answer those questions honestly, I think you'll know what to do. A gun in the hand of a person who is unwilling to use it can make the situation worse if the bad guy takes it away. Good luck and God Bless.

[kvanbrunt2]

there have been no terrorists attacks since 9/11

yes, there have been and everyone knows it. what a lie. Larry finally started the list. i wanted to but didn't. there's the airplane kid and the anthrax, as well. probably 100 others no one is counting.

[Mo1]

FNC did a reporting of this exact topic a week or so ago .. but called it a different name ... the called it something like individual acts of terrorism

[Shadowstrike]

I carried a gun before permits were available. My dad always said..." I'd rather bail you out of Jail, then come identify you at the Morgue.

Now, I have a concealed-carry permit, and my baby goes everywhere with me

[papertyger]

Does your faith give you the strength to go to the funeral of the man who killed your children and pray for him, as the Friends did last year?

Yes.

Under what circumstances would you find it acceptable to take a life?

All the standard ones.

What fill me with dread and loathing is the prospect of "after," when I recognize I probably sent this person to the burning horror of hell for all eternity: something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

However, what of those who would similarly be sent to hell by the actions of that person?

Therein lies my dilema.