WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008

A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

[Al Simmons]

One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:

"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."

MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.

The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.

Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.

Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.

Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).

So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.

Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.

I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.

Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.

Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:

Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.

THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).

So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?

Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.

That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.

So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.

Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.

He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.

But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.

It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.

Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.

Over and out!

[newguy357]

And he is a conservative

Yea! Let's redefine words when people don't meet the definitions! Awesome!!!!!

[Tarpon]

How about that, there are two of us that think alike. Worked for me over the years

[aligncare]

For me the defining issue is quite simple: does he want me disarmed or not? Rudy does want me disarmed and helpless.

I can't speak for him. But, from what I have heard him say (in the recent interview with Sean Hannity) I don't believe he wants you disarmed. Does he want just anyone, no questions asked, to have guns. No, I don't believe he wants that, either.

I think that as mayor, Rudy Giuliani could do nothing about the 20,000 gun laws in America or the supreme court's decisions that let state and local governments regulate guns (thanks to that conflicting phrase in the second amendment, "a well regulated militia").

And I think Rudy Giuliani believes that laws that are appropriate in one environment may not be in another. (I got my first gun permit in rural Northern California. It involved a yearly $12 fee and a talk with the local sheriff. When I moved to New York City with it's 8 million people and it's violent street gangs, it was near impossible to get a permit -- and that was before Rudy became mayor.).

No, I don't believe Rudy Giuliani wants me disarmed (I'm a peaceable, law abiding citizen), nor am I willing to blame Rudy for the sorry state of gun laws in America. I think he just wanted to bring the murder rate down.

Perhaps, I do disagree somewhat with the mayor about guns. But, it's hard to disagree with a mayor whose actions prevented over 1000 gun deaths in New York City each year.

[Al Simmons]

On balance he is a conservative in my view. Not 100%, but as RR said about seeing folks as 80% friends instead of 20% enemies...

[Kevmo]

As a Duncan Hunter supporter I am choosing not to engage in debate on this Rudy Giuliani thread on Free Republic. As a freeper I am disappointed that there are fans of a liberal presidential candidate trying to push socially liberal views on this socially conservative forum. In particular, I have noticed that the Rudy G fans do not answer posts questioning the qualitative substance of their candidate, or the posts are met merely with insults.

Duncan Hunter's campaign website
http://www.gohunter08.com/



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Video of Rudy Giuliani in his own words
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM

Transcript of video below.




Will the real Rudy show up at CPAC?

Culture of life:

ABC clip:

George Will: "Do you think Roe v Wade was good constitutional law?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes I believe, I believe it is."

Cnn Clip December 2, 1999:

Announcer: "Giuliani was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial birth abortions, something Bush strongly supports."

Rudy Giuliani : "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing."

Immigration

CNN clip:

Announcer: "Back in 1996, mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants."

Rudy Giuliani: "There isn't a mayor or a public official in this country that's more strongly pro immigrant than I am. Including disagreeing with President Clinton when he signed an anti-immigration legislation about two or three years ago."

Gun control:

CNN clip

Rudy Giuliani: "I'm in favor of gun control"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "How about registration of all handguns?"

Rudy Giuliani: "You know I'm in favor of that. I've been on your show many times."

Gay Rights:

CNN Clip:

Announcer: "As mayor he supported civil unions, and extending health and other benefits to gay couples."

ABC Clip: "I supported domestic partnership legislation and signed it"

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "So should gay people be openly allowed to serve?"

Rudy Giuliani: "I think people should be judged on the merits. And there should not be a specific focus on someone's sexual orientation."

First Amendment:

ABC Clip

Cokie Roberts: "Would you vote in the senate in favor of Mccain / Feingold?"

Rudy Giuliani: "Yes, I'm a big supporter of Mccain / Feingold. I have been for a long time."

Party Loyalty:

ABC Clip:

Rudy Giuliani: "Frankly George, I'd like to run on all the lines. I'd like to run on the liberal line, the conservative line, I'd like to run on the democratic line if I could figure out how to do it."

Conservative Values:

Meet The Press:

Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."

Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'."

Welcome To CPAC, Rudy!

End clip.

[supercat]

And I think Rudy Giuliani believes that laws that are appropriate in one environment may not be in another.

As mayor of NYC, Rudy sought to have his standards imposed nationwide. He has never repudiated his actions nor apologized for them.

[Al Simmons]

With McCain's implosion (thank the Lord), its looking like a Rudy/Romney primary.

That ought to be interesting. Depending on whether any other candidates 'catch fire' I would not be surprised at a Rudy/Romney ticket should Giuliani win the nomination and Romney finish a strong second across the country.

Not the best possible candidates in a perfect world, but it may be the best chance to beat Hitlary...

[oldenuff2no]

Rudy put his name on the litigation against the firearms manufacturers. He did it of his own free will.
No Rudy, no way, at no time!!!!!!
Hunter is a conservative, Rudy is a liberal!!!!!
It's just that simple.

[Al Simmons]

As usual, the election in November 2008 will come down to the lesser of two evils. Rudy is far from perfect, but if he wins the nomination, and its him against Hitlary, the choice will be stark enough.

And you'll hear the 'Rats portraying him as a dangerous conservative up North and as a fake conservative down South. And, as usual - they will be guilty of lying - in both cases.

[supercat]

Rudy put his name on the litigation against the firearms manufacturers. He did it of his own free will.

I wish Rudy's supporters would come up with some reasonable explanation or rationalization or something for his lawsuit, instead of just ignoring it. In another thread someone tried to justify it, but that just seemed to run afoul of the First Rule of Holes.

If Rudy's lawsuit cannot be reasonably explained or justified, and if Rudy makes no effort to apologize for it, I see no reason to regard it as anything less than Absolutely Disqualifying.

[budwiesest]

run afoul of the First Rule of Holes.

If you find yourself in one, stop digging?;^)

I'm not convinced that America is as dependent upon the government, nor as infested with liberals, as California was during the recall election.

'08 should be a show-down between an extreme liberal (Hillary) and an unapologetic conservative (Hunter?) where both parties go 'all-in' and our fate as a nation is cast in stone. I'm tired of slouching toward socialism and would like to prepare for the worst if things are headed that way.

[supercat]

'08 should be a show-down between an extreme liberal (Hillary) and an unapologetic conservative (Hunter?) where both parties go 'all-in' and our fate as a nation is cast in stone. I'm tired of slouching toward socialism and would like to prepare for the worst if things are headed that way.

I'm hoping Mitt Romney shapes up to be a good conservative candidate. The fact that he seems more interested in courting conservative voters than liberal ones would seem a very promising sign. Ann Coulter a moderate, indeed.

Perhaps some people can supply examples, but I don't think those who openly and unreservedly call themselves conservatives and speak up for what that means generally stab conservatives in the back. Rather, the back-stabbers are the ones who get defensive about being called 'liberal' without really offering a good explanation for how they're not.

Is it possible that Mitt Romney is a smooth-talking liberal swindler? Anything's possible. But I don't remember ever seeing a liberal that could talk like a conservative without dissembling.

[aligncare]

That's an interesting take. Please explain what he should repudiate? What I've heard about is Giuliani's success in reducing murder in New York City, as he promised he would do in his mayoral campaign.

Now, a presidential candidate with a record of having made good on a campaign promise about an issue that republicans own - law and order - is not necessarily a negative in a national campaign.

Look, the problem of onerous gun regulations is bigger than any one president's ability to change. As president, Giuliani couldn't affect gun laws for the worse any more than could president Bush affect them for the better.

I suppose you could say it all hinges on the supreme court nominations - since that's where the battle will be won or lost. But, Giuliani has said those appointments would be strict constructionist.

So I suppose support for Giuliani's candidacy boils down to this: do you trust him to keep that promise.

[supercat]

Look, the problem of onerous gun regulations is bigger than any one president's ability to change. As president, Giuliani couldn't affect gun laws for the worse any more than could president Bush affect them for the better.

Rudy sought to use the office of Mayor to harass gun companies with frivolous lawsuits. He has never acknowledged that such action was improper, and as such I see no reason to believe he wouldn't use the office of President to conduct even worse harassment.

[aligncare]

That would be interesting. A mayor at the top of the ticket, and a governor as the side kick. I hadn't thought about that possibility - I imagine some conservative heads would explode no doubt.

[Al Simmons]

Well, we live in interesting times. A Mayor of a city of 12,000,000, which is more than the population of many states.

Or I guess we could say "The Mayor of Not-Just-Any-City"...

[aligncare]

I think the nation swings back and forth electing presidents: Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy -- Reagan, Clinton, Bush -- swaying to and fro, back and forth.

Sometimes I think Americans are schizophrenic.

[philetus]

Plus, you get 10% off at Ross.

[afnamvet]

Ain't gonna happen Rudy! Not now. Not ever. Give it up.

[WKB]

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