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WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008
A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons

One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:

"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."

MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.

The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.

Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.

Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.

Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).

So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.

Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.

I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.

Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.

Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:

Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.

THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).

So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?

Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.

That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.

So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.

Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.

He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.

But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.

It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.

Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.

Over and out!


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To: stockpirate

If we accomplish nothing else with these discussions, I hope we can get the name calling out of the way, and get to the point where we are focused in on the issues and facts.

Name calling only causes people to harden their stand, in my opinion.


701 posted on 03/05/2007 9:01:32 AM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: KenmcG414
I think we need to distinguish between someone who is a 'cross-dresser' as a life style, and a mayor who dressed up twice as a women, for what I believe were charity benefits. There is a big difference.

I don't think anyone is actually suggesting that Rudy Giuliani is a "cross-dresser". Are they?
702 posted on 03/05/2007 9:12:28 AM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: supercat
This technique works best if the cognitive dissonance doesn't materialize until after the conversation is ended. At that point, their defenses may be down enough for logic to penetrate the liberal fog.

That, or they were here only masquerading as conservatives; and therefore not conflicted in the least when it comes to supporting a gun grabbin liberal socialist like Rudy.

703 posted on 03/05/2007 9:33:24 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: stockpirate

I may disagree about who would make the best Republican nominee, but I won't make personal attacks...to the FReeper or to the particular candidate that he supports. It's unproductive.


704 posted on 03/05/2007 9:38:34 AM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: takenoprisoner

Rudy Giuliani is not a socialist, at least not from his record on most issues important to conservatives. His record is one of being a capitalist.

True, he is not a social conservative.

Just wanted to get that out of the way.


705 posted on 03/05/2007 9:43:40 AM PST by aligncare (No, the science is NOT settled.)
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To: Gurn

I'm glad you have a pastor with firm moral principles. I expect your Baptist congregation is flourishing as a result. Since you freely admit that your party affiliation trumps your own faith-based values, may I suggest you check out the Episcopal Church (where, I understand, there is a lot of room in the pews for people who support abortion and "gay rights").


706 posted on 03/05/2007 10:21:02 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Jim Robinson

Me too Jim...and the more he's hyped the more I dislike him. Especially when one of his supporters demands that I be a sheep for democrat lite.


707 posted on 03/05/2007 10:26:52 AM PST by abigailsmybaby
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To: madprof98

And you should become a Muslim, with your intellect. You are a simple-minded fool.


709 posted on 03/05/2007 11:25:31 AM PST by Gurn (Islam is a cancer.)
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To: aligncare

Accoding to Wikipedia: "Drag is a special form of performance art based on cross-dressing. A drag queen is a male-bodied person who performs as an exaggeratedly feminine character, in an elaborate costume usually consisting of a gaudy dress and high-heeled shoes, heavy makeup, and a large wig. A drag queen may imitate famous female film or pop-music stars. (See also RuPaul)".

Rudy was imitating Mae West.


710 posted on 03/05/2007 11:46:55 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: KenmcG414
Cross-dressing bits used to be standard in mainstream comedy. Milton Berle did that bit a lot.
711 posted on 03/05/2007 12:01:08 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Gurn
And you should become a Muslim, with your intellect. You are a simple-minded fool.

Always so pleasant to hear from "Christians for Rudy."

712 posted on 03/05/2007 12:31:08 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: auto power

And you cannot kill those same enemies if Rudy has disarmed you, AS HE PROPOSES. Get real. Find someone who HONORS the Constitution rather than wipes his nasty a$$ with it.


713 posted on 03/05/2007 6:46:03 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: aligncare

Read post 635, which I addressed to you to begin with. Then tell me how much you like gungrabber Rudy.


714 posted on 03/05/2007 6:47:46 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Syncro

I believe that it was said that NONE of the PBAs were done to "save the life of the mother," none, ever. It's ALL about being free to kill babies. (Notice though that NO ONE who wants to see babies killed was aborted themselves.)


715 posted on 03/05/2007 6:50:53 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Tarpon

Read post 635 for more ammo for your position!


716 posted on 03/05/2007 6:51:42 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: Al Simmons

Sorry Al. Rudy's a pro-homosexual baby killer. That's not conservatism.


717 posted on 03/05/2007 6:52:02 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: dcwusmc

my, my, my....such classy language...


718 posted on 03/06/2007 4:55:15 AM PST by auto power
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To: madprof98
Always so pleasant to hear from "Christians for Rudy."

Oh, haven't you heard? I'm not a Christian. It's impossible to be a Christian if one votes for someone who doesn't meet all the litmus tests of brain-dead automotons like you.

Moron.

719 posted on 03/06/2007 7:20:28 AM PST by Gurn (Islam is a cancer.)
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To: auto power

That's OK. I specialize in accuracy, not elegance.


720 posted on 03/06/2007 7:22:52 AM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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