Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
Well I am not a Sosial Conservative, I am pro-life, pro gun, and I never said he was a baby killer.
My dad, a retired Marine, says it only takes one "to hell with you" to do away with a hundred "hurray for me's".
While resumes may not tell the whole story, they certainly DO tell quite a lot about what a candidate has done. Words are just not enough anymore; if they ever were, in looking at a candidate to vote for.
True, but women WERE part of the roving "jongulars" of the Dark Ages.
You'd rather see Hillary Clinton in the WH as opposed to Rudy? All I can say is, wow. With all due respect (seriously).
My bad.
30,000 carries in NYC down to 3,000 during Rudy's term. He wasn't responsible for taking ALL of them, but he sure took my two.
You are avoiding the issue that I brought up to you while trying to change the subject. That's a typical liberal tactic. You said this is a republican forum, I gave you information that proves you wrong. Now, if you want to acknowledge that you were wrong I'll be happy to answer your questions. If not, then no need for us to waste time with each other. As Jim said, FR is a conservative forum, not a republican forum that you claim it to be. Care to recant?
You were saying?
I haven't EVER "spammed" a thread. And no, I am not "spreading lies" either. It is a fact that Hunter is a PROTECTIONIST as well as being a BIG GOVERNMENT guy. He also was caught in the House Banking Scandal; not to mention the fact that he was connected with Cunningham and Wilkes and others, with problematic pasts.
You have gone completely off topic and have completely misrepresented what I originally posted to another person.
In a world free of abortion and moral people, there would be NO babies for anyone to adopt. Take a minute or three and think about that. If you got what you wanted, there would be NO BABIES ANYWHERE for the childless to adopt.
Unlike you, I won't use this thread, nor any other, to sink to your level and allow your baiting and personal attacks to drag me into a silly flame war.
I wish I could support him. I'm taking a wait and see attitude.
My apologies, then. I don't wish to engage in mischaracterisations of you.
That's odd. I didn't think my eternal soul depended on whom I support in an election.
Could you point me to that verse?
You miss an awful lot. I don't know how many times this has to be two posted, before you get the message. Listen up. The first points listed by Jim are two big time social conservative issues. The others touch upon social conservatism to one degree or another.
As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. We also oppose the United Nations or any other world government body that may attempt to impose its will or rule over our sovereign nation and sovereign people. We believe in defending our borders, our constitution and our national sovereignty.
Instead of working on being a bigger smartaleck then the other Rudybots, it would serve you right to get properly informed.
1. You have repeatedly lied about Hunter's position on abortion and birth control.
2. Hunter is not a protectionist. Under a Hunter administration, foreign trade will still occur with countries of goodwill. However, countries that use trade as a weapon against ours (like the Chinese) will be held accountable. By the way, China may attack Taiwan soon if you've seen the latest. I'll refrain from saying "I told you Nixonites so" because it's so obvious.
3. Every Republican has been a big government guy since Reagan left office. You didn't need to read their lips to come to that conclusion. Hunter was being a team player. You're going to condemn him for something that you Rudy supporters are constantly badgering others about when it comes to not supporting your liberal guy?
Yes, I'm sure you'll just rise above it all - gassy emissions have a tendency to do that.
Anybody who'll fall for Mormon theology, well, he doesn't need the launch codes.
LOL!! Good one!
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