Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons
One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:
"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.
The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.
Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.
Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.
Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).
So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.
Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.
I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.
Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.
Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:
Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.
THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).
So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?
Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.
That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.
So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.
Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.
He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.
But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.
It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.
Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.
Over and out!
Hillary and Rudy lead the polls.
So a lot of people agree with you that the WOT should be turned over to a president with no military or foreign policy experience.
I think that's an amazing fantasy.
Oh well, we survived Woodrow Wilson's presidency...
"And NO, no matter how many times you call us other things, we are [not] Conservatives."
There, fixed it for you. By supporting a big-government socialist like Rudy McGiuliRomney, the only thing you are trying to "conserve" is big government socialism and you know it. Rudy is about ZERO percent different from or better than HiLIARy, based on his own words. Too bad, so sad, he's toast as far as people who wish to see our Constitutional Republic conserved and strengthened.
And Bill Clinton's (the modern equivalent to Wilson's mendacious presidency and cowardice).
But we may not survive Her Heinousness.
So, keeping in track with 1912, pray tell WHERE is the Teddy Roosevelt whom we should vote for over Rudy?
Rather than abortions, the reason why there are fewer babies to adopt here, if that birth control is much more readily available now, the stigma of being an unwed mother has been removed and for the past 35+ years, girls are keeping their bastards ( yes, I know, many object to that word, but that is what they are ), and until rather recently, welfare has allowed girls to keep their babies.
There was nothing "cruel" nor "crude" about what I posted.
OTOH, what you posted in reply, is patently false! The thing about Africa being the "only" place left to adopt babies from and that class warfare guff about the rich and famous, is hardly Conservative thought.
Yes, that is what YOU are...a LIAR!
126 are solidly against Giuliani
25 are solidly for Giuliani
19 cannot be identified, so are labeled neutral, waitnsee
74% are solidly against Giuliani
15% are solidly for Giuliani
11% are undecided
This just reinforces my opinion that FR is a collection point for the majority of smart, well informed and patriotic people who frequent the 'net.
They did and more thugs, not regular citizens, got their hands on even more guns.
It doesn't matter what you IQ is, if you are unable to actually USE it.
"Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE"
Whoops, there goes your credibility...
It certainly was against selling guns to children, which was being done.
Make that 127 are solidly against Giuliani.
It would be nice if you could stop seeing things that are not there.
Rudy should run with her as a democrat.
How exactly do the easily documented facts I've posted about Ted Olson qualify as a "tinfoil theory"? Are you unaware that people often sign on as campaign advisers in hopes of future appointements?
Let me ask YOU a simple yes or no question, do YOU think abortion should be legal? YES or NO
Objectively, Rudy is not a strong candidate for a WOT president.
No one directly disputes this, even his supporters. Who, however, repeatedly say the WOT is a reaon to support him!
How this negative of his will play out in the next few years
remains to be seen. However it is indisputably a negative for Rudy, not a plus.
His tough talk is good politickin' but objectively Hillary has better (though deficient) credentials.
The media can be expected to exploit this in the election campaign if Rudy gets the nomination.
*ROTFLMAO!!* You had me til this line! I mean, people have accused me of sounding pompous, but this is a bit much...
He's not a flip-flopper. You may not agree with all of his positions, but he sticks to his guns. And he is a Conservative. The fact that he may not pass your 'purity test' doesn't mean that he is not.
CINO
Conservative in name only
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