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WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008
A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

Posted on 03/04/2007 1:04:27 PM PST by Al Simmons

One recent anti-Rudy poster stated the following:

"And if Rudy does get the nod, expect the MSM to open up the hype floodgates on the cross-dressing and the gay stuff -- oh, not condemning of course (wink) but how it's a big change, how will this play in the South, does this mean gay marriage is A-OK for the GOP."

MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11 and most Americans will be DISGUSTED - at the MSM, NOT at RUDY.

The issue in 2008 will be the WOT - what with Iran's creeping closer to nukes and threatening the world. Not pull-out, but how to best change strategy and WIN.

Your statement does not mean to, but it nevertheless implies that Southerners and all Socons are stupid one-issue voters. Having lived in the Bible - Belt for 8 years I can tell you this is FAR from the truth. Its almost like you have been taken in by, and are repeating the MSM's Koolaid mantra about this group of Americans - of which I consider myself to be one, BTW.

Southerners are the most patriotic of Americans, they know we are at war, they absolutely DESPISE the treasonous opposition like Murtha, and they know that Rudy is the one who will take the fight to the terrorists - and without a velvet glove a la Dubya in Iraq, but with brass knuckles.

Rudy's principled stance on judges and the 'socon' issues (ie. he is a constructionist who will appoint constructionist judges like Scalia and Roberts - confirmed by no less a Federalist Society Conservative luminary than Ted Olsen - combined with his tacit promise that he is not a 'crusader' on social issues but believes that they should be decided by the people's elected representatives is right in line with what 90% of 'socons' (like myself, for example) believe).

So the fact that he is not flip-flopping a la Mitt and trying to brown-nose this "group" is also enhancing his image as a true leader - which he is - its funny how it was the Veterans here on FR who have been the first to catch on to that. Its a 'disturbance in the force' that we are highly attuned to, if you will. We can tell a real leader from a political poseur a mile away - and Rudy is a real leader.

Therefore Rudy will not meet significant opposition in the primary voters block except from a tiny minority of 'no compromise - any time any where' radicals who are squealing like stuck pigs around here the past few weeks because their own tactics have resulted in themselves becoming increasingly marginalized and out-of-the current conservative stream, which gathering itself up into a raging torrent that will sweep Rudy into office.

I was open-minded on Rudy when the bashing started a couple of weeks ago. Now, I am 100% behind him. The misguided attempts at character assassination, and 'can't see the forest for the trees blindness' of the anti-Rdy bots around here has had this effect on many, many Freepers - and is having this effect on conservative voters across the country.

Contrary to the idiotic "Rudy=Hitlary" statements which even the biggest rube knows are BS, the difference between Rudy and Hitlary (besides that one will cut-and-run while the other will get tougher in the WOT) is that Hitlary is a doctrinaire crusading Marxist who will use the FULL power of her office to sign laws and appoint judges who will seek to limit and take away our rights as religious Americans, home-schoolers and 2nd Amendment backers - this will be THE FOCUS of her administration, NOT the WOT. She's waited nearly 40 years to implement Saul ALinsky's tactics for turing America into a Marxist-liberal state. And she is cackling about the dissent she hopes will split the GOP and give her a cakewalk to the WH. Happily, she is DEAD WRONG about this.

Rudy's priorities are straight - WOT is #1, - AND IF YOU GET NOTHING MORE OUT OF THIS POST, PLEASE GET THIS:

Rudy is a PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVE who believes that the people should decide most of their social issues through their local elected representatives - and he will appoint conservative judges who have that philosophy - as opposed to Hitlary, who will appoint Ruth Bader Ginsburgs to every open Federal Judiciary Seat ACROSS THE NATION.

THAT is the real difference between Rudy and any national radical crusading left-wing Democrat who will run in 2008 (99% chance its Hitlary in my view).

So look at this issue beyond looking at out-of-context quotes made by Rudy when he was Mayor of a 5-1 LIBERAL city where he had to politically survive in order to save the City (which he did). He was THE most hated politician by the liberal limousine crowd that NY had ever seen. Does this sound like Rudy=Hitlary to you?

Look at his record of leadership and supporting pro-life and pro-2nd Amendment conservative candidates ALL OVER THE COUNTRY in the 2002, 2004 and 2006 elections.

That is called loyalty and patriotism. This is a man in whom I would have every confidence being back-to-back with in a political foxhole - and I cannot say that about any of the other candidates.

So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'.

Rudy is not a threat to conservatives, he will uphold local rights (especially through his judicial appointments), AND he will fight to protect this nation from a terrorist and a looming nuclear-terrorist peril. The alternative is to elect a Dem and concede defeat - HERE and ABROAD.

He is NO THREAT to the so-called 'socons'.

But he is a DEADLY THREAT to the terorrists and terrorist states (read:Iran) who would destroy us - and he a DEADLY THREAT to the liberal hegemony that Hitlary and her backers would LOVE to impose upon us.

It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.

Well, their strategy is NOT WORKING, and he will defeat them - for all our sakes - in 2008.

Over and out!


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To: Al Simmons

Florida 2000 is Olson's biggest contribution by far to the GOP and both times in 2005 he was thought to be a frontrunner for the Supreme Court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Olson


401 posted on 03/04/2007 3:14:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: nopardons
how many unwanted babies have you adopted?

Have you tried to adopt a baby lately? If you want to adopt an American baby you have to be rich, or a movie star. Have you ever stopped to think why so many people are having to go out of this country to adopt a baby? Columbia used to be a popular place to get them - then Russia - then China (little girls) and now it seems the only ones left to adopt are from Africa.

Why do you think that is???????????? All of the "unwanted" American babies have been ABORTED.

The comments you made on your post are cruel & crude. You will never get anyone to come over to your side being that way.

402 posted on 03/04/2007 3:15:15 PM PST by alicewonders (I like Duncan Hunter for President in 2008!)
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To: dcwusmc
Personally, I hold people like you responsible for the democrats gaining a majority in Congress. If all you can do is nominate RINOS/CINOs and insist that they are the only ones electable, why is it such a shock to you that people will vote for REAL democrats instead of Rats-lite?

Amen! Given a choice between a Dem and a Dem-lite the mushy middle will go with an authentic Dem. Rudy Toot has nothing at all to offer the right and nothing better to offer the left.

403 posted on 03/04/2007 3:15:36 PM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: Al Simmons
RE: "So please, those of you criticizing Rudy so viciously around here - get your 'gaze out of your navels' and see the 'Big Picture'."

RE: "stop unwittingly swallowing the MSM hype"

It does not help Mr. Giuliani's prospects by insulting the undecided -- I personally have "vicious" (your word) questions of all the candidates. It's what Americans do: question and decide.

Does he have a web site? I do not want to read the words of friends, enemies, and the MSM. I want to know his current positions from him. I want answers to reasonable questions from him.

I have no TV, images of him do no good to reach me.

TIA.

404 posted on 03/04/2007 3:15:40 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I have a bigger problem with McCain than with Rudy. Rudy is at least predictable. McCain is our homegrown version of Achmed Ahmanutjob. He'd get my vote over Hillary just because I couldn't be sure he'd be aligned with Satan 100% of the time.

I hope this is just early theatrics at this forum. Perhaps one of the other candidates you mention will emerge in a big way, or someone new will arrive on the scene.

It would be nice if there was a candidate this forum could largely support. Right now it's marginal support for marginal candidates and loud support for NOT RUDY. That's not a gameplan.

But it does make it noisy and uncomfortable here.

405 posted on 03/04/2007 3:16:31 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: nopardons
It was cheap guns and many of those who were selling them, did not send in any proper papers to any department.

Liar.

L

406 posted on 03/04/2007 3:18:48 PM PST by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Godebert
Yet you allow Rudolph Giuliani's staff to use your website as their campaign headquarters. I don't see how that advances the Conservative agenda.

That can get frustrating at times. However, the more Rooty's lapdogs campaign for him, the more his liberal agenda comes to light. Sometimes it's best to let them keep talking.

407 posted on 03/04/2007 3:18:50 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. Þ)
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To: nopardons
It was cheap guns and many of those who were selling them, did not send in any proper papers to any department. Go read up on it.

I read where the city LOST that ridiculous lawsuit, as they should have...

408 posted on 03/04/2007 3:19:35 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: nopardons
how many unwanted babies have you adopted?

We were set to adopt one, but it fell through. The Mom wanted an open adoption. So we got a 4 year old from a Russian orphanage. Now, I answered your question.

What does that have to do with anything we are discussing?

409 posted on 03/04/2007 3:20:05 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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To: Al Simmons
Rudy Guliani ? - Nay!

/jasper

410 posted on 03/04/2007 3:20:16 PM PST by Jasper (Stand Fast, Craigellachie !)
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To: nopardons

"Now, I realize that you imagine that this is going to somehow destroy Rudy's political aspirations, but the truth of the matter is, the more you and your ilk post the pictures/post about this, completely out of context,

makes you look like a bunch of very desperate, silly, ultra provincial, uneducated Know Nothings."

This is the same type of arguement Liberals make about Liberalism, it is just too much for we with 147 IQ's to understand.


411 posted on 03/04/2007 3:20:45 PM PST by stockpirate (Democratic approach to Iraq would "validate the al-Qaeda strategy,")
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To: nopardons
It was cheap guns and many of those who were selling them, did not send in any proper papers to any department.

What were the proper paper reporting requirements in effect at that time?

412 posted on 03/04/2007 3:21:24 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Godebert
you allow Rudolph Giuliani's staff to use your website as their campaign headquarters

Name one.

413 posted on 03/04/2007 3:21:38 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: nopardons
It was cheap guns and many of those who were selling them, did not send in any proper papers to any department.

If those who were selling the firearms weren't filling out the paperwork, why weren't they arrested and prosecuted for that? Giuliani seemed to be going after people against whom the federal government didn't seem to have any case. Why?

414 posted on 03/04/2007 3:21:44 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Liz
Just another Rudybot vanity in support of a liberal big govt, pro-abort, amnesty, gay rights, human caused-global warming, gun grabbing kook.

No thanks.

415 posted on 03/04/2007 3:21:56 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: alicewonders; nopardons
Why do you think that is???????????? All of the "unwanted" American babies have been ABORTED.

Great response!

To even suggest that there is a shortage of married heterosexual couples wishing to adopt is asinine and totally unsupported by facts.

416 posted on 03/04/2007 3:22:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: merry10
And this pro gun, pro fun, lapsed Catholic will cancel YOu out.

Well, at least you're honest enough to admit you are unfaithful to the Church. On another Rudy thread, somebody was claiming he was a serious Catholic. PUKE!

417 posted on 03/04/2007 3:23:45 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: don-o

See 416.


418 posted on 03/04/2007 3:24:12 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Dog Gone

I absolutely detest Benidict Arnold MCCaine so my saying he's better than Giuliani is saying a lot.


419 posted on 03/04/2007 3:24:38 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Al Simmons
MY REPLY: And if they do it will be countered with images of Rudy's heroism during and after 9/11

Heroism? Running into a burning building is heroism. Reassuring Americans on TV was admirable and showed great leadership, but it was hardly "heroic".

420 posted on 03/04/2007 3:24:40 PM PST by montag813
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