WHY ALL CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT RUDY WITH ENTHUSIASM IN 2008

A CONSERVATIVE BUT RATIONAL MIND | 3/4/2007 | AL SIMMONS

[McGavin999]

Actually wagglebee, I know most of the people who are pro-Rudy on this site. I've been posting every single day since April 1998. Most are good conservatives who have supported this site and the republicans for years.

I haven't made my decision so I'm not pro or anti anyone other than McCain (and I've been anti-McCain since the day he became a senator for my state).

Most of those who support him are supporting him because of his stance on terror and because they have witnessed his stance first hand when he chased off Castro, Arafat, and tossed the $10 million check back into the face of the Saudi prince.

We need to back off on the nastiness and we need to stop attempting to censor free speech.

[Big E]

I am open-minded on Rudy. For me, the war with Islam, illegal immigration, and fiscal restraint are important. The other issues fall in line after that. Rudy's stance on immigration bothers me, however, I think he would be pretty good on the other two.

Some of the other candidates, like Romney and Hunter, I do not know much about. It's early, and I expect to see and hear more from the candidates in the coming months. The only GOP candidate I will not support is John McCain.

[FreeReign]

on spending if Rudy is socialist then Duncan Hunter is a flaming communist.

Please document verifiable sources for such an assertion and ping me when you post them. Thanks.

LOL! If you are trying to get to the facts then why don't you ask the posters who claim that Rudy is a fiscal socialist to verify their posts.

After that, you can then start by looking at Duncan Hunters voting record, for the massive Prescription Drug Benefit, the huge '05 Highway Bill (you know the one we all hated a couple of years ago) and the No Child Left Behind Bill.

After that, then do a google search on the the NYC budgets of Rudy.

If you have trouble with that, I'll be back in an hour to help you out.

Okay?

[Victoria Delsoul]

Hold on tight. I'm going to save your post so I can remind you about it when he wins. LOL!

[narses]

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

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We don't have to accept liberal Rudy. There are other options. This fellow may be the best one:







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[Al Simmons]

"I agree that there should not be personal attacks. However, I recognize that there are two distinct types of Rudy supporters here.

- Those who support him because they believe he is the only Republican who can win and as such they are willing to ignore his liberal politics.

- And those who support him because his liberal politics most resemble their own.

I have a feeling that many in the second group feel attacked because they recognize that their liberal beliefs are incompatible with those of most FReepers.

Well, I suspect that the group #2 is fewer in number than the over-the-top personal attackers on Rudy are.

I guess you can call me a member of group #1, with the caveat that I do not believe that his presidency will be as liberal as you fear it will be.

[madprof98]

The insults have been vicious and personal lately and it seems just about any term is acceptable against a Guiliani supporter.

You need to tell us that you feel really, really bad as a result. Then all of us can respond to your feelings with an outpouring of compassion. I mean, that is the liberal way to discuss issues, is it not?

[FreeReign]

I don't think he will, which means the status-quo will continue and the U.S. budget may hit $10 trillion by 2015.

I disagree. I think he would have a better chance of doing it than the other candidates.

[mysterio]

Not voting for Gungrabiani.

[don-o]

Many here concur with the Founding Fathers' view of moral absolutes.

And some here go into hysterics at the mere mention of such a thing. The battle lines are just beginning to be drawn.

Land told The Hill in an interview this week that as it stands now, the top tier of Republican presidential hopefuls lacks a candidate social conservatives can be fully comfortable voting for..

[narses]

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

And that's what really galls many of the Rudyites. In the past they've been able to shut down criticism of the GOP by invoking Jim's words. Now that they're unable to pull that trump card they're suddenly up in arms about the climate around here.

Yep, exactly. They're not getting their way and their frustrations are showing. They were hoping that because of 9/11 and Hillary looming on the horizon, conservatives would automatically support Rudy and just disregard his socialist political past. The line in the sand has been drawn, and the days of conservatives supporting Republicans just because they're slightly less liberal than the Democrat are over.

[stockpirate]

Maybe that is because he is "pompous".

[SaveTheChief]

in a state that George Bush won twice, Harris got 38.1% of the vote. and you want us to repeat that model in the presidential race, with a candidate like Hunter.

No. I said nothing of the sort. I don't believe I said anything that would lead anyone to believe that I endorse anything written in your comment.

This is what I believe - I am tired of the veer to the left taken by the Republican Party, clearly evident in its candidates and policy, and I can not support a candidate that endorses things that are unconstitutional and ideologically opposed to conservative principles.

Sooner or later we conservatives need to stop electing candidates that do nothing but appease leftists, put the security of our nation at risk, and get in the way of the rights of citizens to live freely and without government intrusion.

I view Rudy as one of those who does more harm to the cause than good.

[Dad yer funny]

so very articulate , we're all very glad you've kept your composure

[EternalVigilance]

So, please, please, see beyond your regional prejudices,

Goshamighty, "Al." Lookin' like you and Rooty ain't too popular in these here parts. Ain't he from NooYawk City?

[Lurker]

with the caveat that I do not believe that his presidency will be as liberal as you fear it will be.

I see. So you're willing to bet my Constitutional rights and the rights of every single American on your belief.

And you're willing to do so in spite of all the evidence to the contrary which includes literally decades of his own words and actions.

Do you have any idea just how silly you sound?

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[aligncare]

Are you saying everyone in America must fit into only two ideological camps - "no menu substitutions please".

Let's see...that would gives us, correct me if I'm wrong - exactly two views of all aspects of our complex political and social life? Whoa...who's the control freak here. Haven't you noticed not every republican agrees with everything every other republicans agrees with?

I want government out of our social and cultural life. That's what churches and families are for. "The government that governs best is the government that governs least".

Anyway, I think Rudy Giuliani would make the best Commander-in-Chief. Plus, he has the executive experience I'm looking for in a president. That's why I'm supporting him.

I haven't read the whole thread, yet. I hope it hasn't already degenerated into name calling. The whole bot thing is silly when you consider we are discussing who would make the better nominee to run against the 'rats, and at the same time, make the best president.

[stockpirate]

LOL

[takenoprisoner]

It is the MSM that is playing up the 'Rudy is splitting the GOP base' FALSE stories. They are hoping to create such a split so that they have a chance to defeat him in 2008.

The MSM would be just as pleased with either Rudy or Hilliary as President.

There is a Dragon out there waiting to try to devour everything near and dear to us, and the only real strong champion we have happens to be from NYC

Yea, and if it is left to Rudy, we citizens won't have the necessary arms to defend ourselves.

"We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions -- and really stronger ones -- that exist for driving an automobile. The United States Congress needs to pass uniform licensing for everyone carrying a gun." Rudy Giuliana Mar 1997.