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Tables turned on Fahrenheit 9/11’s maker
The Sunday Times ^ | March 4, 2007 | Tony Allen-Mills

Posted on 03/04/2007 4:44:31 AM PST by MadIvan

THE hunter has become the hunted. Michael Moore, the celebrated left-wing film-maker, has become the unwilling subject of a new documentary that raises damaging questions about the credibility of his work.

The director and star of successful documentaries such as Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore has repeatedly been accused by his right-wing enemies of distorting or manipulating the material in his films. On his website he dismisses his critics as “wacko attackos”.

Yet the latest assault on Moore’s film-making techniques has come from an unexpected quarter. In Manufacturing Dissent, a documentary to be shown for the first time at a Texas film festival on Saturday, a pair of left-wing Canadian film-makers take Moore to task for what they describe as a disturbing pattern of fact-fudging and misrepresentation.

“When we started this project we hoped to have done a documentary that celebrated Michael Moore. We were admirers and fans,” said Debbie Melnyk, who made the film with her husband, Rick Caine. “Then we found out certain facts about his documentaries that we hadn’t known before. We ended up very disappointed and disillusioned.”

Melnyk and Caine are best known for their previous documentary Citizen Black, about Conrad Black, the Canadian-born former proprietor of The Daily Telegraph. Last week both of them acknowledged an important debt to Moore for popularising the documentary genre.

Yet when Caine and Melnyk began to follow him as part of their own documentary, their efforts to interview him met with the same kind of obstruction, denial and, ultimately, physical ejection that Moore had suffered when he tried to track down Roger Smith, the former chief executive of General Motors, for his first film, Roger & Me.

It was in Flint, Michigan, Moore’s former home town, that Caine and Melnyk made the first discovery that they say rocked their confidence in his approach. Roger & Me was a hugely successful account of what Moore portrayed as a fruitless task to force Smith to answer questions about GM’s policies in closing the car manufacturing plants that had long been Flint’s economic lifeline.

Caine and Melnyk claim that Moore interviewed Smith on camera twice. But the scenes were left on the cutting room floor, apparently for greater dramatic effect.

Manufacturing Dissent includes a long catalogue of alleged exaggerations or distortions in several of Moore’s films. In Bowling for Columbine, a scathing indictment of US gun violence, Moore visited Toronto to show parts of the city that were supposedly so free of crime everyone left their front doors unlocked.

“In the film, Michael makes it look as though 100% of the doors were unlocked, but his local producer told us it was really only 40%,” said Caine.

Caine and Melnyk said they had hoped to interview Moore about his views on how much editing was acceptable before a factual documentary turned into misleading propaganda.

“We had met him at a premiere of the Columbine film in Toronto, and he said, ‘Oh yes, talk to my people and they’ll set something up’,” said Caine. “We then called his people and they said he’s not doing any more interviews in Toronto. We had his e-mail, we sent a letter to his lawyers, we had his phone number in New York. But each time he said no.”

Then Caine and Melnyk began to run into open hostility. Eventually, in a scene that might have come from Roger & Me, they were bundled out of an event at Kent State University, where Moore’s sister, Anne, knocked aside Caine’s camera.

Moore is reportedly editing his next film, Sicko, about the US healthcare system, and a spokesman said he had no comment on Manufacturing Dissent. On his website he dismissed critics of Bowling for Columbine as “lying liars” and claimed that “organised groups [are] going full blast trying to discredit me”.

Yet Caine and Melnyk insist they should not be confused with the right-wing hordes who want to damage Moore.

“If you have to sell out your values and principles to get at a greater truth, where does that leave you?” said Melnyk.

“If we think it’s wrong for the government to lie and manipulate, how do we think that [left-wingers] doing it is the solution?”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fahrenheit911; fatbastard; moore; turnabout
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To: MadIvan

Words of wisdom for Michael Moore:

http://www.acmewebpages.com/midi/pig.wav
http://www.acmewebpages.com/midi/stupid.wav


41 posted on 03/04/2007 7:26:16 AM PST by stbdside
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To: OldFriend
Ann appeared to be serious in her praise of Harold Ford.

Still won't believe it unless I see it.

Can you provide a transcript or video clip?

My Dad lives in TN, and though there is no way he'd vote for a dem, especially a fake like Ford, he wasn't a big fan of Corker either.

If Ann appeared to show favor towards Ford, maybe it was in contrast to what she thought about Corker?

42 posted on 03/04/2007 7:26:19 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: MadIvan; pookie18; All
From the archives of one of Pookie18's (OBTW He's BACK) FR "Today's Toons" threads:

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43 posted on 03/04/2007 7:28:08 AM PST by musicman
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To: MadIvan

I'm shocked! Moore lied!


44 posted on 03/04/2007 7:30:58 AM PST by spotbust1 (Gun control is when you use both hands.)
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To: fanfan; All

This is a little OT, but it made me laugh.



A Texan, a Frenchman & a Canadian are out riding horses.

The Texan pulls out an expensive bottle of whiskey, takes a shot, then another, & suddenly throws the bottle in the air, pulls out his gun & shoots the bottle in mid air.

The Canadian looks at him & says, "What are you doing?! That was a perfectly good bottle of whiskey!"

The Texan says, "In Texas, there's plenty of whiskey & bottles are cheap."

A while later, not wanting to be outdone, the Frenchman pulls out a bottle of champagne, takes a few sips, throws the bottle in the air, pulls out his gun & shoots it.

The Canadian can't believe this & says, "What did you do that for? That was an expensive bottle of Champagne!"

The Frenchman says "In France there's plenty of Champagne & bottles are cheap."

So a while later the Canadian pulls out a bottle of beer, He opens it, takes a sip, takes another sip, & then chugs the rest. He then puts the bottle back in his saddlebag, pulls out his gun, turns around & shoots the Frenchman.

The Texan, shocked, says, "Why did you do that?"
The Canadian says, "Well... in Canada, we've got plenty of Frenchmen, but beer bottles are worth a dime.


45 posted on 03/04/2007 7:34:50 AM PST by musicman
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To: voletti

Its this comfort with lying and not being called up on it that makes the parasitic left just so much more dangerous.




That's why i watch South Park. :)


46 posted on 03/04/2007 7:35:51 AM PST by chasio649
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To: MadIvan
“organised groups [are] going full blast trying to discredit me”.

News flash lardass. One needs to be credible before they can be "discredited."

47 posted on 03/04/2007 7:39:53 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn. - Tancredo or Hunter)
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To: MadIvan

Odd article -- suggest that Moore only has "right-wing enemies".

I'm not "right wing" and I think Moore is a lousy filmmaker.


48 posted on 03/04/2007 7:44:16 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: avacado

Do you have a concise list with more falsehoods in that movie?

Thanks.


49 posted on 03/04/2007 7:46:24 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: musicman

LOL!


50 posted on 03/04/2007 7:56:06 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSHA)
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To: Miss Marple

"I am beginning to think there are a few who are supposedly on our side who are as big a frauds as Michael Moore."

Now really, that could never happen./s


51 posted on 03/04/2007 7:57:47 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: MadIvan

Hee hee.


52 posted on 03/04/2007 7:59:57 AM PST by aculeus
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To: musicman
Mornin', musicman!


53 posted on 03/04/2007 8:08:07 AM PST by pookie18 ([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: pookie18

Mornin'Pookie!!


54 posted on 03/04/2007 8:12:28 AM PST by musicman
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To: MadIvan; abb; Milhous; martin_fierro; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK

"Manufacturing Dissent" is a great title for a film, a documentary and what the left wing MSM does 24/7/365.

The days of "Manufacturing Dissent" started coming to an end with the end of Blather and Mapes when they were caught "Manufacturing News" re President Bush.

Maybe a better title would be "Manufacturing News/Dissent!"


55 posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (GW has more Honor and Integrity in his little finger than ALL of the losers on the "hate Bush" band)
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To: MadIvan

Michael Mooron made more on the Iraq War than Halliburtan did.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


56 posted on 03/04/2007 8:28:08 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Tehran)
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To: MadIvan
“If you have to sell out your values and principles to get at a greater truth, where does that leave you?” said Melnyk.

As a hero of the Democrat party, of course.

57 posted on 03/04/2007 8:28:08 AM PST by beans36
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To: JohnLongIsland; linux07ster
Unfortunately, you are correct. Here is the news that MSM in a concerted effort does not report. You will enjoy Linux07ster's work.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792428/posts
58 posted on 03/04/2007 8:29:36 AM PST by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: MadIvan
Never saw it. Never will.

The same goes for the rest of his propaganda.
59 posted on 03/04/2007 8:34:24 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: MadIvan
Never saw it. Never will.

The same goes for the rest of his propaganda.
60 posted on 03/04/2007 8:34:58 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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