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Tables turned on Fahrenheit 9/11’s maker
The Sunday Times ^ | March 4, 2007 | Tony Allen-Mills

Posted on 03/04/2007 4:44:31 AM PST by MadIvan

THE hunter has become the hunted. Michael Moore, the celebrated left-wing film-maker, has become the unwilling subject of a new documentary that raises damaging questions about the credibility of his work.

The director and star of successful documentaries such as Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, Moore has repeatedly been accused by his right-wing enemies of distorting or manipulating the material in his films. On his website he dismisses his critics as “wacko attackos”.

Yet the latest assault on Moore’s film-making techniques has come from an unexpected quarter. In Manufacturing Dissent, a documentary to be shown for the first time at a Texas film festival on Saturday, a pair of left-wing Canadian film-makers take Moore to task for what they describe as a disturbing pattern of fact-fudging and misrepresentation.

“When we started this project we hoped to have done a documentary that celebrated Michael Moore. We were admirers and fans,” said Debbie Melnyk, who made the film with her husband, Rick Caine. “Then we found out certain facts about his documentaries that we hadn’t known before. We ended up very disappointed and disillusioned.”

Melnyk and Caine are best known for their previous documentary Citizen Black, about Conrad Black, the Canadian-born former proprietor of The Daily Telegraph. Last week both of them acknowledged an important debt to Moore for popularising the documentary genre.

Yet when Caine and Melnyk began to follow him as part of their own documentary, their efforts to interview him met with the same kind of obstruction, denial and, ultimately, physical ejection that Moore had suffered when he tried to track down Roger Smith, the former chief executive of General Motors, for his first film, Roger & Me.

It was in Flint, Michigan, Moore’s former home town, that Caine and Melnyk made the first discovery that they say rocked their confidence in his approach. Roger & Me was a hugely successful account of what Moore portrayed as a fruitless task to force Smith to answer questions about GM’s policies in closing the car manufacturing plants that had long been Flint’s economic lifeline.

Caine and Melnyk claim that Moore interviewed Smith on camera twice. But the scenes were left on the cutting room floor, apparently for greater dramatic effect.

Manufacturing Dissent includes a long catalogue of alleged exaggerations or distortions in several of Moore’s films. In Bowling for Columbine, a scathing indictment of US gun violence, Moore visited Toronto to show parts of the city that were supposedly so free of crime everyone left their front doors unlocked.

“In the film, Michael makes it look as though 100% of the doors were unlocked, but his local producer told us it was really only 40%,” said Caine.

Caine and Melnyk said they had hoped to interview Moore about his views on how much editing was acceptable before a factual documentary turned into misleading propaganda.

“We had met him at a premiere of the Columbine film in Toronto, and he said, ‘Oh yes, talk to my people and they’ll set something up’,” said Caine. “We then called his people and they said he’s not doing any more interviews in Toronto. We had his e-mail, we sent a letter to his lawyers, we had his phone number in New York. But each time he said no.”

Then Caine and Melnyk began to run into open hostility. Eventually, in a scene that might have come from Roger & Me, they were bundled out of an event at Kent State University, where Moore’s sister, Anne, knocked aside Caine’s camera.

Moore is reportedly editing his next film, Sicko, about the US healthcare system, and a spokesman said he had no comment on Manufacturing Dissent. On his website he dismissed critics of Bowling for Columbine as “lying liars” and claimed that “organised groups [are] going full blast trying to discredit me”.

Yet Caine and Melnyk insist they should not be confused with the right-wing hordes who want to damage Moore.

“If you have to sell out your values and principles to get at a greater truth, where does that leave you?” said Melnyk.

“If we think it’s wrong for the government to lie and manipulate, how do we think that [left-wingers] doing it is the solution?”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fahrenheit911; fatbastard; moore; turnabout
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To: MadIvan
Moore is not, nor has he ever been, a documentarian.

Moore was, is and forever will be just another propagandist.

Moore is nothing more than an inheritor of the mantles of Soviet disinformation and NAZI subterfuge.

21 posted on 03/04/2007 5:47:27 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Jacquerie
Lefties or fascists.

"The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
- Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister

"Propaganda must not serve the truth especially not insofar as it might bring out something favorable for the opponent."
- Adolf Hitler

22 posted on 03/04/2007 5:59:56 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Jacquerie
Further proof that truth to the left is that which advances their goals. Factuality is irrelevant.

Very well said.

23 posted on 03/04/2007 6:00:04 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals despise moral values because moral values limit their sexual freedoms - Kevin McCullough)
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To: MadIvan

The world can never have enough disappointed and disillusioned former leftists.


24 posted on 03/04/2007 6:01:42 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: MadIvan

Fat Boy lives on Torch Lake in MI and is seen through out that area. Hunt him down with a camera.


25 posted on 03/04/2007 6:02:18 AM PST by bmwcyle (It is time to stop the left at the wall.)
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To: bmwcyle

Maybe a FReeper fishing tournament on Torch Lake would be fun. Freep him from off shore. LOL!


26 posted on 03/04/2007 6:10:41 AM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Trteamer

I have missed him a few times when I was at my mother-in-laws but I will continue to hunt.


27 posted on 03/04/2007 6:12:23 AM PST by bmwcyle (It is time to stop the left at the wall.)
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To: MadIvan

PLUS...if you know anything about guns or the NRA...you know how that fat tub of LARD lied in "Bowling for Columbine". Now, he COULD have made a meaningful documentary about the legendary failures of the responding Littleton SWAT team...but Noooooo!


28 posted on 03/04/2007 6:15:01 AM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: MadIvan
News Flash from The Left: Michael Moore's movies are fiction

Wow!! now there's news

29 posted on 03/04/2007 6:17:28 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: OldFriend

I am beginning to think there are a few who are supposedly on our side who are as big a frauds as Michael Moore.


30 posted on 03/04/2007 6:22:40 AM PST by Miss Marple (Prayers for Jemian's son,: Lord, please keep him safe and bring him home .)
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To: OldFriend
And there was Ann Coulter on with Donny Deutch of the Big Show.......telling him she wished Harold Ford was a republican so she could vote for him. She was just so impressed with Harold Ford.

Where's the full transcript or video?

I'll believe it when I see it.

Perhaps you missed her sarcasm?

31 posted on 03/04/2007 6:23:01 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: MadIvan
On his website he dismissed critics of Bowling for Columbine as “lying liars”

A phrase that has been repeated over and over by the left, is calling people "liars". It's gotten to the point that calling someone a "liar" is meaningless. George Bush I think is one of the few politicians that does not lie, yet the left has made it "common knowledge" that the intelligence communities mistakes about Iraqi WMD are now solely "Bush's lies".

I think there's a pattern here. Bill Clinton *is* a liar. A genuine, in your face, "I did not have sex with that woman" liar. I think the constant accusations that Bush lies, and statements like from the Hollywood democrat against Hillary the other day, that "all politicians lie", has defined the deviancy of lying down to where it is almost meaningless. People no longer care about the genuine lies of the Clintons, because "all politicians lie".

An honest politician now has no chance. Truth telling in politics is now meaningless.

This mantra I think was started by the Clintons against Bush as payback against the deserved attacks against Bill and his lying. But it's gotten a life of it's own now.

32 posted on 03/04/2007 6:31:11 AM PST by narby
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To: MadIvan

moore is a propagandist packaged in a used hefty bag


33 posted on 03/04/2007 6:35:25 AM PST by Enduring Freedom (what does al qaeda and bush have in common? caves)
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To: Thumper1960
<>Moore is not, nor has he ever been, a documentarian.

Well, close. A crockumentarian.

34 posted on 03/04/2007 6:36:18 AM PST by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Scmidt, CEO Google)
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To: MadIvan
"We ended up very disappointed and disillusioned.”

Are these people morons? When I saw Roger and Me I thought it was hilarious--and I saw it time after time--but it was obvious from the first clip what Michael Moore was doing.

I used to think I was of average intelligence, but people like this make me think maybe I'm some kind of genius or something.

35 posted on 03/04/2007 6:39:25 AM PST by Savage Beast (MESSAGE TO BUSH: Free U.S. Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean NOW!!!)
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To: DocH
Ann appeared to be serious in her praise of Harold Ford. And of course, Deutch replayed that program several times before the election.

Thankfully, the voters in Tennessee knew better than Ann about Harold Ford.

36 posted on 03/04/2007 7:17:29 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: MadIvan; GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...
Anyone in Toronto who leaves their front door unlocked is an idiot.

Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

37 posted on 03/04/2007 7:17:42 AM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSHA)
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To: Miss Marple
Far too many of our so called elites are only interested in having a LOOK AT ME moment.

One of the cables replayed Ann referring to Harriet Meiers as the cleaning lady.

What class!

38 posted on 03/04/2007 7:18:37 AM PST by OldFriend (Swiftboating - Sinking a politician's Ship of Fools by Torpedoes of Truth)
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To: MadIvan

Now they need to do a similar documentary on "A Convenient Lie."


39 posted on 03/04/2007 7:22:08 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: cgbg

When is the planned release of this movie? Dime to donuts its next summer, leading up to the elections... and one Dem candidate will use the movie as a propaganda piece to get voters to support universal (socialist) healthcare.


40 posted on 03/04/2007 7:24:15 AM PST by rintense (Just say no to McCain in 2008!)
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