Posted on 02/23/2007 5:50:36 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0
The cave in which Jesus Christ was buried has been found in Jerusalem, claim the makers of a new documentary film.
If it proves true, the discovery, which will be revealed at a press conference in New York Monday, could shake up the Christian world as one of the most significant archeological finds in history.
The coffins which, according to the filmmakers held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene will be displayed for the first time on Monday in New York.
Jointly produced by Emmy award-winning documentary filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici and Oscar winning director James Cameron, the film tells the exciting and tortuous story of the archaeological discovery.
The story starts in 1980 in Jerusalem’s Talpiyot neighborhood, with the discovery of a 2,000 year old cave containing ten coffins. Six of the ten coffins were carved with inscriptions reading the names: Jesua son of Joseph, Mary, Mary, Matthew, Jofa (Joseph, identified as Jesus’ brother), Judah son of Jesua (Jesus’ son - the filmmakers claim).
Decades of research
The findings in the cave, including the decipherment of the inscriptions, were first revealed about ten years ago by internationally renowned Israeli archeologist Professor Amos Kloner.
Since their discovery, the caskets were kept in the Israeli Antiquities Authority archive in Beit Shemesh, but now two have been sent to New York for their first public exhibition.
Although the cave was discovered nearly 30 years ago and the casket inscriptions decoded ten years ago, the filmmakers are the first to establish that the cave was in fact the burial site of Jesus and his family.
The film, which documents the stages of the discovery, is the result of three years labor and research. It will be broadcast on the international Discovery Channel, Britain's Channel 4, Canada’s Vision and Israel’s Channel 8, which also took part in the film's production.
According to the filmmakers, the film’s claim is based on close work with world-famous scientists, archeologists, statisticians, DNA specialists and antiquities experts.
C'mon, this is series business! No joking around!
;-)
"Jesus' son???
Coffins?
Mary Magdalene?"
Is that why early Christians went through the trouble of suffering gruesome torture just for the sake of a dead Man?
No. The 1988 Carbon Dating has been totally discredited. They tested a 16th Century patch that has been proved to have been chemically and physically different from the main body of the Shroud.
"The coffins which, according to the filmmakers held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth, his mother Mary and Mary Magdalene will be displayed for the first time on Monday in New York."
lol interesting.. I wonder how they did that since average joes weren't buried in coffins or anything other than a shroud back then.
Even if they did find THE burial site of Jesus. There wouldn't be a body in it.
Been waiting for someone to claim this...not the first type of thing in this line...
Breaking news,
OJ Simpson at the cave looking for killer of his ex-wife.
They came back and buried bones later about this time period...so you went into the grave for awhile, they came back opened it up, and put the bones in a memorial box which might have had your name inscribed on it.
I sort of suspect who's ultimately behind this stuff. And he's going to have a good laugh because of the number of people who not only want to believe it, but who will believe it.
That still doesn't help their position.
The body/bones still wouldn't be there.
It was the funerary practice of the time, to open the tomb and put the bones in a box...but I am not saying any of the bodies he claims to have found are the ones he claims they are!
"Is Jesus still walking around in his 2000 year old body?"
Yes, He's still walking around in His body, but His age is ageless. :-)
Geraldo has been a rock solid supporter of the war in Iraq. I changed my opinion about him.
ALL those names were very common back then. It will be interesting to see exactly how they determined they are the Biblical pesonalities.
Actually there is no contemporaneous evidence about the Shroud being a "fraud". In 1389, Henri de Portiers, the Bishop who wrote the draft letter to the Avignon Pope Clement, approximately 25 years after the first exposition of the Shroud in Lirey, France, claimed his predecessor, Pierre (De Arcis?) had found the "artist who cunningly painted" it... but the Shroud is not a painting.
While there are random flecks of various pigments on the Shroud, the pigments that are on the Shroud are never present in any organized placement and are randomly scattered over the surface of the Shroud in both image and non-image areas. They are never in sufficient concentrations to be visible.
In addition, the Bishop's letter was only a draft that was never sent to the Pope. No copy of it has ever been found in the extensive archives of the Vatican. The Bishop of Trois was known to have been upset that the Shroud was drawing pilgrims and their donations away from his collection of relics. The Pope actually sanctioned the display of the Shroud and placed the Bishop under an order of silence on the issue.
Another fact is that the Shroud has been depicted on a codex (The Hungarian Prayer Manuscript) with a known provenance (1192 AD) in the 12th Century... at least 160 years before the first showing in France. Also an engraving of the Shroud has been found on a medallion from the 11th Century.
Going even farther back, we have the sermon of Gregory Referendarius given when the Shroud was brought from Edessa, Turkey, to Constantinople on August 16, 944, in which he describes the Shroud and the image on it.
There are other documents relating to the Shroud in Constantinople found in the University of Leiden, Netherlands, The Codex Vossianus Latinus Q69, and the Vatican archives, Vatican Library Codex 5696, p. 35. Both of these 10th Century documents describe the Shroud in Constantinople:
[Non tantum] faciei figuram sed totius corporis figuram cernere poteris."You can see [not only] the figure of a face, but [also] the figure of the whole body."
Then, going even farther back, we have the "Hymn of the Pearl" found in The Acts of Thomas which have a provenance of 2nd or 3rd Century but are known to have originated in the Edessa area of Turkey. Which is translated as:
Suddenly, I saw my image
on my [burial a] garment like in a mirrorMyself facing outward and inward
As though divided, yet one likenessTwo images
but one likeness of the King[ of kings c] - (Trans.) ReisbachOr in another translation:
on a sudden, when I received it,
the garment seemed to me to become like a mirror of myself.I saw it all in all,
and I to received all in it,for we were two in distinction
and yet gain one in one likeness.And the treasurers too,
who brought it to me, I saw in like mannerto be two (and yet) one likeness,
for one sign of the king was written on them (both), - (trans.) W. Wright
Thanks for the ping. This should be interesting.
Pinging you, cuz I wanted to pick your brain. I thought your work is with ancient DNA or is that some other FReeper? Has there been any kind of buzz about this? IOW, wondered if you know what kind of DNA samples they've gotten from this site or if there's a reliable source about it.
Do you know how many Judah, son of Jesuas there mostly likely were in those days? Just look how many Marys there were...we know three or four just from the Bible alone. There were most likely THOUSANDS of Judah ben Jeshuas.
What a bunch of hooey, just in time for Resurrection Sunday and Holy Week, too. Now ain't that special?
What there's a hole where everyone's stuff falls into that cave? LOL I hear Al Gore is looking for his marbles...
Exactly, and I don't remember a coffin either, just burial cloths that were laying in the cave when the women found the stone rolled away and an Angel sitting there ... no body!
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