Embryonic Stem Cell Research Financier Joins Pro-Gay Fundraiser To Host Mitt Romney San Diego Event

RenewAmerica ^ | Thursday, February 22, 2007 | James Hartline

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(JHReport) Confirming what many other national conservative sources have been saying for months, the James Hartline Report has now uncovered new evidence which indicates that the pro-life "make-over" of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney is nothing more than a cover for an extremely radical and liberal philosophy.

A San Diego Republican Party operative recently contacted the James Hartline Report with a list of influential Romney supporters who are hosting a March 16, 2007 San Diego fundraiser for Romney's presidential campaign. After thoroughly investigating the backgrounds of a number of those who are hosting the Romney fundraiser in San Diego, the James Hartline Report has obtained information which may send political shockwaves throughout GOP circles and could permanently affect the outcome of the presidential race.

The following information is from the Romney fundraising invitation on March 16th which is being circulated via email to certain Republican Party members and other GOP insiders:

Host Committee
Friday, March 16, 2007
Manchester Grand Hyatt
America’s Cup Room
One Market Place, San Diego, California 92101
VIP Photo Reception 12:00 noon
Contribution: $2,300 per person
Luncheon 12:30 p.m.
Contribution: $1,000 per person
Save the Date: Friday, March 16, 2007
Paid for by Romney for President, Inc.
Host Committee
Daryl and Bob Allen * Linda and John Alexander, M.D.
Terry and Mike Armstrong * Sandy and Albert Bertha
Gigi and Ed Cramer * Chris Crane
Millie and Gunder * Creager Rebecca and James Davies, M.D.
Sheree and Frank Gaughan * Sue and Bob Giramma
Shelley and Jeff Hawkes * Robert Hertzka, M.D.
Becky and Don Higgins on * Anne and David Jacinto
Laurie and Dirk Jorgensen * Fran and Bill Johnson
Jacki Lake * Jessie Knight
Candese and John Marchese * Karen and Kent McBeth
Ginny and Marshall Merrifield * Edward Mracek
Josie and James Myers * Emily and Patrick Ord
Jean and Hon. Ron Packard * Kim and Troy Romero
Laurie and Matt Romney * Valerie and Gary Sabin
Candy and Ken Satterlee * Jan and John Smoot, M.D.
Monetta and Wendell Smoot M.D. * Senator Mark Wyland
Julie and Jonathan Bullen * Roberta and Malin Burnham
Laurie and Kelly Burt * Silvija and Brian Devine
Marilyn and Kim Fletcher * Dr. Dieter Kuster
Betsy and Papa Doug Manchester * Margaret and John Ord
Randie and Leon Reinhart * Meg and Eric Roach
For further information, please contact Karolyn Dorsee at 858/756-2027
Dorsee Productions -P. O. Box 455, Rancho Santa Fe, CA 92067
fax: 858/756-2597 or email: karolyn@dorseeproductions.com

Mitt Romney, a lifelong member of the Mormon Church, has always seemed to be a walking contradiction. According to an article written by Mike Allen for Time Magazine, Romney's family has long been a part of the Mormon Church's elite. Perhaps, this could explain why a great majority of the individuals listed on the San Diego hosting committee for the Romney fundraiser are wealthy Mormons. For the past two decades Mitt Romney was fanatically committed to promoting abortion rights, and while governor of Massachusetts, did nothing to stop his state from issuing same-sex marriage licenses. Many were puzzled how a lifelong Mormon could be so liberal on basic moral issues. Just as confusing as his liberal record demonstrates, Romney mysteriously began to present himself as a new convert to being pro-life and anti-gay marriage right after the 2004 elections. Many are questioning the sincerity of Romney's newly constructed conservative credentials. What the James Hartline Report has found in researching the host committee for Romney's San Diego fundraiser may well prove too much for Romney's conservative "makeover" artists to overcome.

Major Embryonic Stem Cell Research Financier
Part of Host Committee
For "Pro-Life" Mitt Romney Fundraiser in San Diego, California

Most true conservatives have felt that it was only a matter of time before Mitt Romney returned to his truthful allignment with the left when it comes to the issue of abortion and embryonic stem cell research. In a shocking display of repugnant hypocrisy, the San Diego hosting committee for Romney's March 16, 2007 campaign fundraiser includes one of the biggest financiers for the embryonic stem cell industry. What makes that revelation even more distasteful is the fact that Romney has stated the reason he converted to being pro-life is the fact that human embryos are so easily killed during embryonic stem cell research. Here is how Romney recently described his pro-life converstion:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17023959
He describes himself as pro-life, argues that Roe v. Wade should be replaced with state abortion regulations, and cites the science he studied amid a legislative debate over embryonic stem cell research as the basis for his position.
Romney says his moment of illumination about the immorality of abortion came two years ago during a meeting with an embryonic stem cell researcher.
"The comment was made that this really wasn't a moral issue, because the embryos were terminated or destroyed at 14 days," Romney said during a recent campaign stop in Mount Pleasant, S.C., in a reprise of other recent explanations of his thinking on abortion.

Enter Malin Burnham: Host Committee member for the San Diego Romney fundraiser; major financier for the California embryonic stem cell industry.

Although he has recently attempted to revamp his public persona to appear pro-life, Romney's historical pro-abortion fanaticism is now being renewed via one member on the hosting committee for his March 16, 2007 San Diego presidential fundraiser. One of the individuals hosting Romney in San Diego has been one of the most dedicated financial contributors to embryonic stem cell research in California. This individual is wealthy San Diego businessman Malin Burnham. Malin Burnham gave $50,000 to Prop. 71, the 2004 California initiative that authorized spending $6 billion in public funds for a state embryonic stem cell research enterprise that will eventually kill multiple thousands of growing human babies during unproven and wasteful medical experiments.

Take a look at the documentation for the Prop. 71 initiative contributions from Malin Burnham:
Committee Name: YES ON 71: COALITION FOR STEM CELL RESEARCH AND CURES

BURNHAM MALIN, BURNHAM REAL ESTATE SERVICES, CHAIRMAN, SAN DIEGO, CA 92106 $50,000.00 9/9/2004

Malin Burnham is one of the most fanatical supporters of exterminating human embryos for embryonic stem cell experimentation. Burnham further demonstrated his commitment to the the destruction of human embryos for medical experimentation purposes during a 2005 meeting with the California Institute for Regenerative Medicine (CIRM). CIRM was established by the passage of Prop. 71 to administrate for the state the taxpayer-funded embryonic stem cell organization. The following transcript from that meeting in 2005 details Malin Burnham's comments on embryonic stem cell research:

www.cirm.ca.gov/transcripts/pdf/2005/05-06-05.pdf
"MR. BURNHAM: MY NAME IS MALIN BURNHAM. I'M A NATIVE OF SAN DIEGO. I'M GOING TO TALK FAST BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME. I'M SIMPLY A REAL ESTATE GUY. I'VE ALSO BEEN INVOLVED
WITH THE BURNHAM INSTITUTE FOR OVER 20 YEARS AS ITS CHIEF CHEERLEADER. SOME PEOPLE TODAY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. AT THE BURNHAM INSTITUTE, BEFORE LAST NOVEMBER'S ELECTION, WE HAD OVER A HUNDRED FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT PEOPLE WORKING IN STEM CELL RESEARCH. WE'RE DOING IT NOW. ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON IS WHAT'S BEST FOR YOUR STAFF. IN 40 YEARS OF COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE WORK, MY COLLEAGUES AND I HAVE PUT TENANTS INTO MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF SQUARE FEET, AND NEVER HAVE USED A SCORECARD TO DO IT. I BELIEVE THAT'S BOGUS, AND YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT. WE ARE -- WE ARE SUGGESTING YOU PUT YOUR STAFF IN THE EPICENTER OF THE STRONGEST, DEEPEST, CLOSEST KNIT CLUSTER OF BIOMEDICAL RESEARCH FACILITIES AND PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD, NOT JUST SAN DIEGO. I REST MY CASE."

And What About That Pro-Gay Romney Host Committee Fundraiser?

It Get's Worse - Much Worse: The castastrophic information now coming forth regarding the Malin Burnham-Embryonic Stem Cell-Romney relvelations are not the only trouble spots for the Romney "family values" charade. Take for example the woman who is coordinating the San Diego event for Romney, Karolyn Dorsee. Karolyn Dorsee has made a career out of promoting and raising campaign funds for pro-abortion and pro-gay California candidates. Take a look at what one San Diego homosexual activist recently said about Dorsee in his column in the Gay and Lesbian Times:

www.gaylesbiantimes.com/?id=8450&issue=984
While attending a San Diego luncheon with pro-abortion California Governor Arnold Schwarznegger, transvestite homosexual activist Nicole Murray Ramirez said this of Karolyn Dorsee: "I recently went to the very beautiful and exclusive Grand Del Mar, which was the site of a very intimate lunch with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and special guest George Schultz, the former secretary of state. In attendance with me were Bob Lehman and Tom Felkner of GLBT (Gay and Lesbian) Vote 2006. A special thank you to one of my favorite ladies, Karolyn Dorsee, a friend of mine who is one of the top movers and shakers on the West Coast. She made sure we were treated like true VIPs – or queens, if you’d prefer! Every time I meet Gov. Schwarzenegger I am more impressed because he is down to earth and tells it like it is. While as a gay man and a Latino I do not agree with the governor on all of our issues, I do believe he is the best candidate to lead our state forward."

While Romney is desperately attempting to cause conservative voters to forget about his long history of abortion and homosexual activism while serving as Governor of Massachusetts, the fact that he has hired Dorsee to handle his fundraising event in California is sure to destroy much of the false "family values" image that he has recently attempted to create. Among many of Dorsee's long list of abortion and gay-friendly clients in the last two decades are pro-abortion Governor Pete Wilson and pro-gay Republican San Diego mayoral candidate Steve Francis. Here is what the San Diego Union Tribune reported about the relationship between pro-gay civil unions candidate Steve Francis and Dorsee:

www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/pension/20050514-426-candidat.html
"Backers of business executive Steve Francis announced in an e-mail that he has hired a "campaign dream team" and put $500,000 of his own money into a campaign account. His team includes George Gorton, a political adviser to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Gov. Pete Wilson; political consultant Joe Shumate; Republican media guru Don Sipple, whose clients have included Wilson, George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and Schwarzenegger; former Bush campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher; and veteran San Diego fundraiser Karolyn Dorsee."

Former California Governor Pete Wilson is perhaps the single biggest point in the state's history for paving the way for the liberalization of the state Repubican Party. As a committed supporter of abortion rights, Wilson surrounded himself with likeminded abortion supporters. That is what makes the relationship between Wilson and Dorsee extremely problematic for the newly proclaimed pro-life label being worn by Mitt Romey. Here is what Union Tribune columnist Diane Bell said about the Wilson-Dorsee relationship in her April 4, 2006 column:

www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060404/news_1m4bell.html
"Throughout much of Wilson's political career, the former governor was assigned a driver. But Wilson himself was behind the wheel when his longtime fundraiser Karolyn Dorsee and former staffers Kathy Holladay and Cathy Poncabare needed a lift from their hotel to the party. “It was a strange feeling,” says Dorsee . ."

Dorsee's involvement with candidates has also benefited one of the most aggressive pro-abortion, pro-gay Democrats in San Diego history. During Barbara Switzer Groth's 2002 campaign for the San Dieguito Union High School District, both Dorsee and liberal San Diego City Councilman Scott Peters endorsed Switzer-Groth's campaign. http://smartvoter.org/2002/11/05/ca/sd/vote/groth_b/endorse.html Peters and his wife are huge financial donors to the San Diego County Planned Parenthood organization. Thanks to the endorsements of Karolyn Dorsee and Scott Peters, Switzer-Groth was elected to the school board. Returning the favor, Groth then endorsed Democrat Scott Peters for reelection to the city council in 2004. http://peters.sitebuilder.completecampaigns.com/news/newsitem.php?section=EDO&id=891&showcat=5 Peter's went on to oppose saving the Mt. Soledad Cross, he declared a day of honor in the city for the retiring CEO of the county Planned Parenthood organization, and he forced the city to celebrate the San Diego Gay Pride festival in 2006.

- Dark Money, From San Diego To New England -

The Commonwealth PAC

They always say, "Follow the money," if you want to find out where a candidate's heart and soul really lie. Here is what Romney said about abortion during his 1994 senatorial campaign against Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy:

http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record
"Romney ran against Senator Edward M. Kennedy in 1994. During a debate, Romney declared: 'I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.' "

While Romney is attempting to diffuse his lifetime of support for abortion rights by new claims of being pro-life, his recent financial campaign records reveal more about his current thoughts on supporting abortion than anything else. Romney has raised millions of dollars via a political action committee called The Commonwealth PAC. http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2006/10/romney_bulks_up_1.html Amazingly, a number of the individuals listed on the San Diego hosting committee for the Romney San Diego fundraiser are also listed as donors to Romney's Commonwealth PAC: www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.asp?strID=C00403022&cycle=2006

Jonathan Bullen,$5,000; Robert Allen, $5,000; Frank Gaughan $5,000; Sheree Gaughan, $5,000; Randlyn Reinhart, $5,000; Gary Sabin, $5,000; John Alexander II, $5,000; Daryl Allen, $5,000; Christopher Crane, $5,000; Dieter Kuster, $5,000; Marshall Merrifield, $5,000; Virginia Merrifield, $5,000; John Ord, $5,000; Laurie Romney, $5,000; Matthew Romney, $5,000; Valerie Sabin, $5,000; Kenneth Satterlee, $5,000; Julie Bullen, $5,000; Bill Johnson, $2,000; John Smoot, $1,000;

Further evidence proving a pattern of dishonesty on the part of Romney's family values charade is revealed by the distribution of funds from The Commonwealth PAC. While Romney is claiming to be supportive of traditional marriage in America, his refusal to intervene in the gay marriage debacle in Massachusetts during his governorship demonstrates his clear weakness in defense of conservative family values. In fact, Romney not only sought out the endorsement of the extremist homosexual group Log Cabin Republicans when he ran for governor, but he published an endorsement letter during his senatorial campaign. http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/RomneyLogCabinLetter.pdf

Romney's Commonwealth PAC further disputes Romney's new pro-traditional marriage claims. For example, The Commonwealth PAC gave Ohio Senator Mike DeWine $3,000 in the summer of 2006. DeWine refused to support his own state's amendent to ban gay marriage which greatly contributed to his defeat in the 2006 general election.

Romney's Commonwealth PAC also gave $2,000 to rabidly pro-homosexual Republican Congresswoman Deborah Pryce for her 2006 reelection bid. The gay activist group Log Cabin Republicans called Pryce one of their allies in 2006 http://online.logcabin.org/news_views/reading-room-back-up/log-cabin-republicans-blast.html and endorsed her in 2004. www.logcabin.org/logcabinsv/elections_2004.html

Demonstrating even more ethics problems in the Romney camp, his Commonwealth PAC gave convicted Republican Congressman Bob Ney $1,000 on June 28, 2006, months after it was clear that Ney was going to be convicted for crimes that ultimately sent him to prison. www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-09-15-ney_x.htm

Whether America decides to forgoe more of the same flip-flopping and deceptive politics cominng from Mitt Romney remains to be seen. Whether America has had enough of the same old stale political menu that has given recent presidential campaigns the likes of John Kerry, Bill Clinton and now Mitt Romney also remains to be seen. One thing is for sure though, America will only change what it can no longer tolerate.

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[restornu]

Your title is is NOT correct it is miss leading, and the only one on the net drumming up this is JAMES HARTLINE, a friend of Brian Camenker, MassResistance he has smear this all over the net by him little old self and you ran with it!

I will wait for the Video to come out to hear what Romney said at that meeting, and I am sure the title is more like "Stem Cell Research!"

[EternalVigilance]

To: BigSkyFreeper; MHGinTN; EternalVigilance
BigSkyFreeper,

Mitt Romney has never condemned embryonic stem cell research. As your link shows, he only condemns the cloning of embryos. Elsewhere, his spokesperson has stated that Romney opposes federal funds for ESCR, and has never denied his support for the research.

Months before the article you posted, Romney wrote another Globe piece called "The problem with the stem cell bill."

What was Romney's "problem" with the bill? Not that it was pro-ESCR, but that it was "vague on the matter of human cloning." After condemning human cloning, which destroys embryos, Romney then endorsed the destruction of embryos for research.

Confused? That's the idea.

Romney is not against embryonic stem cell research, not against the destruction of life for science, he favors it on "surplus" embryos in fertility clinics--which is the source ESCR supporters are after. This is a position Bush has condemned, as he has joined with the pro-life community in advocating adoption, not destruction, of this life.

Here is Romney's statement from the Globe, March 6, 2005:

The problem with the stem cell bill
Mitt Romney
March 6, 2005
[snip]

Supporters of the bill are correct that state law regulating embryonic research is ambiguous and in need of revising. A proposal designed to give the law clarity, however, should not be vague on the matter of human cloning. This is the problem with the bill. . . .

Stem cell research does not require the cloning of human embryos. Some stem cells today are obtained from surplus embryos from in-vitro fertilization. I support that research, provided that those embryos are obtained after a rigorous parental consent process that includes adoption as an alternative. Further, the greatest successes in stem cell research to date have come from the use of adult and umbilical cord stem cells. Stanford professor William Hurlbut, a physician and member of the President's Council on Bioethics, has proposed a promising approach. Known as altered nuclear transfer, this method could allow researchers to obtain embryonic stem cells without the moral shortcut of cloning and destroying a human embryo.

A bill that includes methods such as these and bans all human cloning would receive my full support. I share the excitement and hope that new cures to terrible diseases like multiple sclerosis, juvenile diabetes, and Parkinson's could soon be within our reach.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/03/06/the_problem_with_the_stem_cell_bill/

That is not a pro-life position. Thankfully, not everyone is fooled.

Romney's stem cell view may upset the right
Use of excess embryos at issue
By Scott Helman, Globe Staff | February 11, 2007

In the heated debate among conservatives over whether Mitt Romney deserves their vote, the focus has been largely on whether his big swings to the right on social issues are sincere.

But on the charged issue of stem cell research, he's facing conservative criticism of a different shade: that he hasn't swung far enough.

Unlike many on the right, Romney supports research on excess embryos created during fertility treatments. Because couples are making embryos to have a baby, he reasons, it is ethical to use the leftovers for research when they would otherwise just be discarded.

Romney's position, however, is at odds with the views of many conservative anti abortion activists, who believe that any work on stem cells derived from human embryos is wrong, because it destroys the embryos in the process. Some say Romney's views make him unacceptable to many voters and will complicate his attempt to win the 2008 GOP nomination by appealing to the party's conservative flank.

Romney's views on stem cell research, which have drawn little public scrutiny amid the static over his shifts on abortion and gay rights, are sure to attract more attention with Congress poised to pass a bill expanding federal support for human embryonic stem cell research, the latest flashpoint in a long-running debate about the sanctity of life and when it begins.

"It's a no-no for some people," Nick Lantinga, a Republican activist in heavily conservative northwest Iowa, said of Romney's support of using excess embryos.

[. . .]

Congress sought to lift the ban last year by passing the CastleDeGette bill. The measure seeks to promote, under certain conditions, research on embryos left over from fertility treatments by sanctioning federal funding for it. It would not authorize federal funding for research that involves cloning.

Bush, using his first presidential veto, rejected the bill.

But the issue is pressing again -- the House passed an identical measure last month and the Senate is expected to follow suit. With Congress still apparently lacking the votes to override a Bush veto, the views of the next president are crucial.

Romney, in an illustration of his delicate maneuvering on the issue, supports the principle at the heart of the bill -- that it's ethical to use excess embryos for research -- but opposes the bill itself, in part because he objects to any expansion of taxpayer-funded human embryonic stem cell research.

Romney aide Peter Flaherty explained in an e-mail statement that Romney does not believe the public should pay for research that is "ethically troublesome."

"Governor Romney believes that because of its inherent ethical issues this research should not be funded by the taxpayers," Flaherty said, adding that Romney supports government funding of research into alternative methods of extracting stem cells.

[. . .]

Romney's views on stem cell research have evolved over the past five years. When he ran for governor in 2002, he endorsed embryonic stem cell research in broad terms, saying at one campaign stop that he would lobby Bush to embrace it.

But in February 2005, as the state Legislature was considering a bill to promote embryonic stem cell research, Romney, after consulting with specialists on both sides of the issue, tried to forge a middle ground: He would fight efforts to clone human embryos for research, he said, but believed it was ethical to experiment on embryos left over from fertility treatments.

Romney continues to hold that position, but he also now expresses opposition to expanding federal funding for research on excess embryos.

[. . .]

Tom McClusky, vice president for government affairs for the influential Family Research Council, noted that Romney, after his education on stem cell research as governor led him to abandon his past support for abortion rights, now describes himself as "firmly pro-life." But the organization is concerned that Romney's position on stem cell research is not a pure "pro-life" position.

[. . .]

"Mitt Romney's position on embryonic stem cell research is not pro-life, and no one should say that it is," the Republican National Coalition for Life, a group founded by conservative icon Phyllis Schlafly, said in a weekly e-mail.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/02/11/romneys_stem_cell_view_may_upset_the_right/


289 posted on 03/14/2007 1:48:17 PM CDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1800515/posts?page=289#289

[cgk]

Here is a video INTERVIEW with Mitt Romney from a couple weeks ago where everyone can see what Mitt says himself about embryonic stem cell research:

Is the Pro-Life Community OK with Romney's Stance on Embryonic Stem Cell Research?

And here's a quote for people who can't see the video:

" I don't oppose on moral ground the use of discarded embryos from an invitro fertilization clinic if there is in place an information setting so people understand what the nature is of what they're doing and if there's an option for adoption available."

I really really hate to sound jaded (I think it's inevitable in this election - sheesh!), but it sounds awfully similar to "Well personally I'm opposed to abortion, but I won't stop anyone else from doing it."

[cgk]

Malin Burnham and his institute the Burnham Institute do indeed believe in stem cell research: all of it embryonic, fetal, and adult. And they use all of it in their research.

He did donate large amounts of money to Proposition 71 in CA. He did speak to the board of California Institute for Regenerative Medicine (what Prop 71 created) about stem cell research. And his Institute was one of the first 72 groups to receive some of the millions in grants awarded from CIRM and Prop 71.

Burnham Institute received their grant for:
"Generation of a library of hESC lines that model a number of human genetic diseases (Burnham Institute)" [hESC = human Embryonic Stem Cells]

Burnham himself is also one of the financial backers of Romney's fundraiser luncheon this weekend in San Diego. If Romney is truly against ESCR (according to the video interview above taken 2 weeks ago), he isn't truly against it, then he or his people would know who was hosting and backing these fundraisers.

All the above information is accessible & verifiable by a few simple Google searches.

[redgirlinabluestate]

From the thread from which EV linked to this story:

He's still buddying up with the pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-destruction of human embryo radicals. This weekend, in fact.

How childish this is. Who cares? They're going to be at the same party. Wow! Say it isn't so!!

Being a conservative means a lot of things. Perhaps they back Romney for his fiscal conservatism, strong position on the war against Islamic jihad, anti-amnesty stance, commitment to small government and strict constructionist judges? Ya think?

I have many liberal friends who have diametrically opposed opinions from mine on nearly every issue. I am not voting for them or putting them in positions of authority in my life and neither is Romney.

Grown ups realize that they can attend parties with and find common ground among a myriad of different people regardless of race, religion, gender or political affiliation. It doesn't change one's own values or opinions. Your world of animosity, distrust, divisiveness and exclusion is not healthy and it is not conducive to good leadership. You should read a couple of Ronald Reagan's books before you set us back 50 years.

**EV Spam alert. Posting comments which serve to reject converts - repel conservatives 24/7

[cgk]

I'm afraid the knee-jerk responses to Eternal Vigilance's very presence on this forum has caused a good many people to lose perspective.

Would you 'care' if the financial backer/supporter in question was someone who considered terrorists freedom fighters? Perhaps a member of CAIR? Someone who worked, legally, doing something that many many people find morally objectionable?

This exact issue has come up time and time again in the political arena, and time and time again we hear about politicians returning checks, disavowing support from people, claiming ignorance & refusing comment, etc. This is nothing new, and certainly shouldn't be new info to Romney's campaign people.

Your personal attack at the end was tired, even as you claim to be 'grown up.'

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[redgirlinabluestate]

Would you 'care' if

It depends on the facts and the person, of course, but generally, no, because I wouldn't support Romney if I thought that attendance at one party with someone whose views we do not share on one issue was going to change him or his convictions.

Your personal attack at the end was tired, even as you claim to be 'grown up.'

To the contrary, it is not a personal attack, it is a mature and truthful opinion on his comments to which I am entitled.

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[cgk]

I wouldn't support Romney if I thought that attendance at one party with someone whose views we do not share on one issue was going to change him or his convictions.

I think that is precisely what I find troubling. Romney DOES share the views of Burnham. Romney says so himself in the video linked above from an interview taken 2 weeks ago:

" I don't oppose on moral ground the use of discarded embryos from an invitro fertilization clinic if there is in place an information setting so people understand what the nature is of what they're doing and if there's an option for adoption available."

He doesn't oppose using human embryos for research: which is what Burnham and his Institute do/fund/promote/support. SO perhaps if there was say, an hour long PSA video for people to watch before they released their 'leftover embryos' to research, then ESCR would be acceptable to Romney. I find that troubling. The embryo is still being destroyed.

[cgk]

BTW, I should apologize for my 'Hannity-esque' question in post #66 'What if...'. It's a lazy way of debating/discussion and I'm embarrassed to have resorted to it. I was distracted and apologize for rushing that to you.

[redgirlinabluestate]

While we may not agree with it, it is possible that these embryos that "would have been destroyed anyway" will become the exception like "except in the case of rape, incest or the life of the mother" in the case of abortion. I imagine a majority of Americans agree with both those exceptions.

Perhaps, Romney will have the opportunity for dialogue with Burnham, and hearts and minds will open to the extent he may even stop research on embryos and Romney will be convinced to oppose research on even the discarded ones. It is most likely about the Benjamins in the end and adult stem cell research has proven much more $ucce$$ful. I am hoping for more and more conversions along the way. I think it is true though --- you catch more flies with sugar than you do with vinegar.

It doesn't matter anyway, Dick Morris just said on Hannity' show that it's Rudy all the way! He's convinced! So most likely we will end up with much less than even Romney could give us.

[redgirlinabluestate]

BTW, I should apologize for my 'Hannity-esque' question in post #66 'What if...'. It's a lazy way of debating/discussion and I'm embarrassed to have resorted to it. I was distracted and apologize for rushing that to you.

No problem. I actually like Hannity and far be it from me to judge anyone's debate style -- especially someone with the #2 rated radio show and a top cable news show. We should all be so bad. LOL.

[thehumanlynx]

great cartoons

[EternalVigilance]

How childish this is. Who cares? They're going to be at the same party. Wow! Say it isn't so!!

Actually, they've organized the party. Ever stop and wonder why pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-embryonic stem cell destruction folks would want to do that for Mr. Romney?

[Chili Girl]

he should not show up.

[redgirlinabluestate]

Actually, they've organized the party.

Burnham is a an affluent and influential Republican philanthropist in San Diego with a long history of donating to Republicans and attending Republican fundraisers in San Diego. Burnham is just one in a list of approximately 50 other Republicans on the host committee and Dorsee has worked for many Republicans, even Bush and Cheney.

Ever stop and wonder why pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-embryonic stem cell destruction folks would want to do that for Mr. Romney?

Already answered that in the previous post ---->they are not one issue conservatives. They probably agree with him on 99.9% of all the other conservative issues. They like low taxes, small government, fiscal conservatism, secure borders, no amnesty, strong national security etc... On the other hand, it is possible they are doing a favor for a friend or they just like parties. Who knows? Who cares? Again, there are a lot of good reasons. It is still ridiculous to speculate.

Further, the more time good conservatives spend talking about conservatism with pro-gay, pro-abortion, pro-embryonic stem cell destruction folks the better. How do you hope to convert them without talking to them?

In the end, there is no perfect candidate. The perfect candidate would be more conservative than Newt (without the baggage), would have the executive experience, intelligence and Reaganesque charm of Romney, the name recognition and star-power of 9/11 Rudy and the military experience of Hunter. Oh, and they have to be able to beat Hillary, like Mitt and Rudy. Good luck finding that person.

[EternalVigilance]

Agreed. Bet he will, though.

[EternalVigilance]

He's banking on folks' ignorance.

[TAdams8591]

"It doesn't matter anyway, Dick Morris just said on Hannity' show that it's Rudy all the way!"

I don't trust Dick Morris and believe he thinks it's Rudy all the way because he, Morris, is for Hillary all the way.

Let's go with the guy who is definitely pro-choice over the one who is running on a pro-life platform.

[TAdams8591]

"In the end, there is no perfect candidate. The perfect candidate would be more conservative than Newt (without the baggage), would have the executive experience, intelligence and Reaganesque charm of Romney, the name recognition and star-power of 9/11 Rudy and the military experience of Hunter. Oh, and they have to be able to beat Hillary, like Mitt and Rudy. Good luck finding that person."

Bravo, redgirl! So well said. : )