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Mediaeval Muslims made stunning math breakthrough
Scotsman ^ | 22-Feb-07 | Will Dunham

Posted on 02/22/2007 6:15:51 PM PST by xcamel

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Magnificently sophisticated geometric patterns in mediaeval Islamic architecture indicate their designers achieved a mathematical breakthrough 500 years earlier than Western scholars, scientists said on Thursday.

By the 15th century, decorative tile patterns on these masterpieces of Islamic architecture reached such complexity that a small number boasted what seem to be "quasicrystalline" designs, Harvard University's Peter Lu and Princeton University's Paul Steinhardt wrote in the journal Science.

Only in the 1970s did British mathematician and cosmologist Roger Penrose become the first to describe these geometric designs in the West. Quasicrystalline patterns comprise a set of interlocking units whose pattern never repeats, even when extended infinitely in all directions, and possess a special form of symmetry.

"Oh, it's absolutely stunning," Lu said in an interview. "They made tilings that reflect mathematics that were so sophisticated that we didn't figure it out until the last 20 or 30 years."

Lu and Steinhardt in particular cite designs on the Darb-i Imam shrine in Isfahan, Iran, built in 1453.

Islamic tradition has frowned upon pictorial representations in artwork. Mosques and other grand buildings erected by Islamic architects throughout the Middle East, Central Asia and elsewhere often are wrapped in rich, intricate tile designs setting out elaborate geometric patterns.

The walls of many mediaeval Islamic structures display sumptuous geometric star-and-polygon patterns. The research indicated that by 1200 an important breakthrough had occurred in Islamic mathematics and design, as illustrated by these geometric designs.

"You can go through and see the evolution of increasing geometric sophistication. So they start out with simple patterns, and they get more complex" over time, Lu added.

ISLAMIC ACHIEVEMENTS

While Europe was mired in the Dark Ages, Islamic culture flourished beginning in the 7th century, with achievements over numerous centuries in mathematics, medicine, engineering, ceramics, art, textiles, architecture and other areas.

Lu said the new revelations suggest Islamic culture was even more advanced than previously thought.

While travelling in Uzbekistan, Lu said, he noticed a 16th century Islamic building with decagonal motif tiling, arousing his curiosity as to the existence of quasicrystalline Islamic tilings.

The sophistication of the patterns used in Islamic architecture has intrigued scholars worldwide.

Emil Makovicky of the University of Copenhagen in Denmark in the 1990s noticed the relationship between these designs and a form of quasicrystalline designs. Makovicky was interested in particular in an 1197 tomb in Maragha, Iran.

Joshua Socolar, a Duke university physicist, said it is unclear whether the mediaeval Islamic artisans fully understood the mathematical properties of the patterns they were making.

"It leads you to wonder whether they kind of got lucky," Socolar said in an interview. "But the fact remains that the patterns are tantalizingly close to having the structure that Penrose discovered in the mid-70s."

"And it will be a lot of fun if somebody turns up bigger tilings that sort of make a more convincing case that they understood even more of the geometry than the present examples show," Socolar said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; india; islam; math; muslims; uzbek
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To: Publius6961
By the way, why not quote us some great philosophy, mathematics, medicine and science out of islam --- say in the last 500 years, after they ran out of cultures to destroy?

It pains me to say this, but there is a small portion of Radical Islam that seem to be very good at making, altering, and fabricated improvised explosive devices. That is a science. This revelation might seem insignificant to some of you, but to me it is the difference between a pleasant drive in the country, and a sphinchter tightening near death experience on wheels.

241 posted on 02/23/2007 2:51:10 AM PST by Moose248 (Posting from LSA Adder, Iraq)
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To: Publius6961

Yep. Just because the chinese steal microsoft programs doesn't make the programs chinese.


242 posted on 02/23/2007 2:54:16 AM PST by gotribe (There's still time to begin a war in Iraq.)
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To: Alter Kaker

...that PROVES it...!!!

M.C. Escher was a muslim mystic.


243 posted on 02/23/2007 3:01:02 AM PST by JB in Whitefish
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To: farlander

short answer envy


244 posted on 02/23/2007 3:12:16 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: xcamel
I believe this article is highly inaccurate. When I typed the words geometry and origin into Google I received numerous links. I read the first few, and none of them mentioned anything about Islam. Listed below is one description titled The Origin of Geometry:

This is a difficult question to answer since geometry has been around in one form or another as long as there has been written history. The Egyptians were making use of geometry to build pyramids even in prehistoric times. It was the Greeks, however who first began to rigorously study geometry and try to prove facts about it. Euclid was perhaps the most notable geometer of ancient mathematics and it was he who first axiomatized the subject (carefully defined the concepts crucial to geometry).

I believe you will find that Euclid lived about 1,000 years before Islam enveloped the Arabic world.

245 posted on 02/23/2007 3:55:06 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: Texas Jack; All
Substitute 'Arabic', 'Assyrian', 'Babylonian', 'Syriac', 'Mesopotamian'.

Now.. the best part... if the article had been written with the word 'islamic' replaced with Arabic or the Arabic 'root cultures' and without reference to religion, I seriously doubt there would have been nearly 300 replies.

~JMNSHO~

246 posted on 02/23/2007 4:01:54 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: ohioWfan
I know that, and I agree with you. It does make discussion nearly impossible. Even when you provide source material that is impeccable and above reproach it must by default be wrong because we all know the Arab world couldn't have contributed anything to society..
247 posted on 02/23/2007 4:29:16 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: xcamel
I have it on good authority that if you add up all the degree angles in the sumptuous geometric star-and-polygon patterns and subtract the total of all the degrees in the decagonal designs and finally divide the result by the total number of degrees in the quasicrystalline carvings, you always arrive at the number 23.
If you then reverse 23 and add 10 (the age of Mohammed's twenty third wife) you then get 42 which, according to the author Douglas Adams, is the meaning of life, the universe and everything.
I know I'm now convinced.
248 posted on 02/23/2007 4:50:52 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: finnigan2

LOL!


249 posted on 02/23/2007 5:03:11 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Antoninus
Yes, they were Persian, but the center of study was Baghdad.

They are studied by scholars as 'Arabic' and 'Islamic' philosophers.

Now if you are going to start to argue that God created Arabs with lesser intellects than other races, we're going to have a serious problem here....

250 posted on 02/23/2007 6:00:12 AM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: aruanan

I never said it did. If you believe that I was arguing in favor of Islam itself, you misunderstand.


251 posted on 02/23/2007 6:05:10 AM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: xcamel

9 = 18


252 posted on 02/23/2007 6:07:12 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: billbears
I suppose it makes some feel better to think that an entire race of people is innately inferior to them.

It's not really an unusual phenomenon in history, is it?

It's just highly disturbing to read so much of it on what is supposed to be a conservative forum where thought is supposed to be first and foremost....

253 posted on 02/23/2007 6:07:53 AM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: AmishDude

"This is stupid. Let me explain this: what they "discovered" was tiling a floor. The fact is that Penrose's stuff was only remarkable in its mathematical rigor. It's nothing innovative. The Greeks did similar stuff."

In fact, I remember reading Penrose's book "The Emperor's New Mind", where he also discussed "tilings" like these. I seem to recall reading in that book about some housewife from the Midwest (or something like that) who had come up with a whole bunch of these non-repeating tilings with various (typically fairly small) numbers of shapes. Very likely the guys who came up with these tilings were just very imaginative and good at what they did, but had no mathmatical background at all, beyond the relatively simple math required in their business.

It is an interesting subject, though.


254 posted on 02/23/2007 6:16:59 AM PST by -YYZ-
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To: Fred Nerks
All of that is arguing against a point that I did not make.

Read the posts on this thread, Fred. They are ignorant, bigoted (stupid) comments about monkeys and barbarians.

The fact that there were medieval Islamic scholars and philosophers is not even debateable. They existed. I never argued to what level their thought was 'rooted in Islam.' The fact that some were neoplatonic or Aristotelian indicates that they were in fact, scholars who understood Greek philosophy, which is certainly not Christian either. (Though some would argue that Plato is pre-Christian with an understanding of Christ's teachings).

My bringing up medieval scholarship in Muslim countries was for one purpose only..........to enlighten the 'monkeys' on this thread who haven't got a clue.....

It obviously didn't work.

255 posted on 02/23/2007 6:21:26 AM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: xcamel

I'm sure this stunning math breakthrough led to them being able to produce a much better detonator for their latest bomb vests.

Makes the world a better place, I'm sure.


256 posted on 02/23/2007 6:24:44 AM PST by newcthem (Madison doesn't have residents..........only inmates.)
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To: Aikonaa
You're welcome for the correction.

The problem with using Bach incorrectly to further your argument, is that it didn't.

(btw, try to analyze retrograde inversion in a fugue sometime. It will challenge your math intellect. :)

257 posted on 02/23/2007 6:30:56 AM PST by ohioWfan (PRAY for our President and our troops!!)
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To: newcthem

Roger. See my post #241.


258 posted on 02/23/2007 6:38:34 AM PST by Moose248 (Posting from LSA Adder, Iraq)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

The key to the article: "It leads you to wonder whether they kind of got lucky,"

In another couple of thousand years they may get lucky again and enter the 1500s.


259 posted on 02/23/2007 6:40:03 AM PST by satan
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To: xcamel
Lu and Steinhardt in particular cite designs on the Darb-i Imam shrine in Isfahan, Iran, built in 1453.

Designed by recently captured Christians.

260 posted on 02/23/2007 6:45:44 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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