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American Rudy: Hot Dog Wants to Be Corn Dog
NY Observer ^ | February 21, 2007 | Jason Horowitz

Posted on 02/21/2007 2:44:52 PM PST by don-o

Rudy Giuliani now comes in a new package. Social conservatives still aren’t buying it.

“It’s a sleight of hand,” said Bob Barr, a former Georgia Congressman and champion of small government. “On issues that I consider extremely important to conservatives, such as respect for the Second Amendment, he is nowhere near even remotely in the ballpark of a conservative philosophy.”

The famously resolute, plain-spoken and uncompromising former Mayor has unveiled new shades of nuance to go along with his historically liberal positions on abortion, gun control and gay marriage, which pose the major obstacles to his pursuit of the Republican nomination for President in 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at observer.com ...


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So far, at least, it seems to be paying off. A Fox News poll of 900 registered voters released last week showed Mr. Giuliani crushing Mr. McCain, 56 percent to 31 percent, among Republicans. Forty-two percent of the Republican respondents were aware that Mr. Giuliani was pro-choice.
1 posted on 02/21/2007 2:44:54 PM PST by don-o
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To: don-o

Barr did make the government smaller, he left it.


2 posted on 02/21/2007 2:46:18 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...

Ping.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 2:49:35 PM PST by NapkinUser (Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
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To: don-o

Polls are like AH.....everyone has one. True Conservatives won't vote for a RINO.


4 posted on 02/21/2007 2:50:34 PM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Well said.


5 posted on 02/21/2007 2:51:53 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: wolfcreek

"True Conservatives won't vote for a RINO."
True Conservatives won't allow a democrat to be elected President.


6 posted on 02/21/2007 2:52:17 PM PST by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: NapkinUser
What will happen to those gaudy numbers when the 60% find out about his pro-abort views; plus his positions on guns, gays and borders?

Answer: It's all downhill from here.

7 posted on 02/21/2007 2:52:53 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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To: NapkinUser

While I have to agree with Barr on this one, I'm no fan of his. I won't easily forget him coming to Iowa to endorse uber-RINO Greg Ganske in the Senate primary against conservative Bill Salier, or his going to work for the ACLU communists.


8 posted on 02/21/2007 2:54:18 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: don-o

Rudy, and you, will either learn that RKBA is a serious issue, or pay for your ignorance. Looks like your time to choose, I already had my turn.
I can work for a candidate, or I can ignore them, but when it comes down to anyone who threatens my "inalienable rights", I will work my ass off to defeat them.
Time for you, and Rudy, to compromise, I've compromised as far as I'm going to go.


9 posted on 02/21/2007 2:56:00 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (BUAIDH NO BAS, JUST SAY NO TO RINO!)
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To: don-o
So far, at least, it seems to be paying off. A Fox News poll of 900 registered voters released last week showed Mr. Giuliani crushing Mr. McCain, 56 percent to 31 percent, among Republicans.

They know McCain. They don't really know Giuliani.

Forty-two percent of the Republican respondents were aware that Mr. Giuliani was pro-choice.

Quod erat demonstratum. When conservatives learn where Rudy really stands and how that contrasts with what he's saying now, they'll fail to show at the polls in droves, which explains why the MSM is trying so hard to jam him down our throats.

10 posted on 02/21/2007 2:56:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: don-o
>>>>On Feb. 14, Mr. Giuliani conceded to Larry King on CNN, “I am pro-choice, yes,” but he quickly added that he would only appoint strict constructionist judges to the federal courts.

This idea of strict constructionist is open to broad interpretation. What America needs are "originalists" on the SCOTUS.

If you look at Rudy`s track liberal record as Mayor of NYCity, instead of accepting his recent rhetoric at face value, everyone will better understand his politics. Mayor Rudy appointed mostly liberal judges to the NYCity courts. Few Republicans and NO cosnervatives. Even other positions in the city government were awarded to liberals.

Using Rudy`s record as a guide, its a good bet as Prez he would nominate jurists in the mold of Lawrence Tribe, George Mitchell and Alan Dershowitz, then he would nominate originalists like Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist.

11 posted on 02/21/2007 2:56:55 PM PST by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: don-o

Well, we saw in South Dakota - a red state - that when abortion was on the ballot and the people given a flat up or down vote, they voted for abortion.

So, we have this situation, in which the country isn't going to do the right thing. Overturn Roe and throw it back to the states? Most of them will vote, in the end, to keep abortion legal. A handful won't. Maybe. But then again, maybe not (the South Dakota vote wasn't that close).

Pro-lifers probably won't budge. Are they the majority of Republicans in the majority of states, or not?

I'm going to assume that Giuliani will play the best among all of the GOP candidates nationwide, because McCain's time has passed and Romney's a Mormon and that creeps people out (whether they admit it openly or not). Giuliani is America's Mayor, etc. Will the Republican voters in primaries in California and New York, Pennsylvania and Illinois and Ohio and Michigan and all of New England - all those blue state Republicans - vote for him? Probably.

He could win the nomination WITHOUT the support of conservatives, in a field where NONE of the GOP leaders are conservative.

And then it's into the general election, where everyone can vote. America's Mayor versus Hillary Clinton? Giuliani wins. Unless a third party candidate runs to his right.

Interesting times.


12 posted on 02/21/2007 2:57:17 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Barr went off the deap end a long time ago. Hey I'd love a rock solid conservative but there just aren't any likely to get the nomination. Sure, I'll place my primary vote for a Duncan Hunter or someone like him. But in the very likely event that he doesn't win the nomination I will gladly vote for Rudy over Hillary or Barack Obama.

I saw first hand what a terrific manager Rudy was when he literally turned NY around. He may be personally pro-choice but he's not a baby killer evangalist like Hillar and Obama. I think he will simply appoint strong constitutionalist judges and let the chips fall where they may. Similarly gay marriage is something I don't think he will push one way or the other. You can bet Hillary or Obama will.

13 posted on 02/21/2007 2:57:27 PM PST by marlon
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To: Buck W.

True Conservatives won't allow a democrat to be elected President.
***Glad to see we agree on something. Rudy has no place in this race because he splits the base. It's time for him to bow out gracefully.


14 posted on 02/21/2007 2:57:56 PM PST by Kevmo (The first labor of Huntercles: Defeating the 3-headed RINO)
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To: wolfcreek
"True Conservatives won't vote for a RINO."

Oh yeah, well, just look at the battle cry of the Rudyrooters...


15 posted on 02/21/2007 2:58:19 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: don-o

That may partially account for why over half of the Republicans and Independents (maybe the Democrats, too; I don't recall) indicated that they would like to see someone else in the race that they didn't currently know about.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 2:58:32 PM PST by william clark (DH4WH - Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Rudy, and you, will either learn

Uh, I am not supporting Rudy. Read mah tagline.

Thanks

17 posted on 02/21/2007 3:00:25 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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To: flashbunny

LOL!


18 posted on 02/21/2007 3:00:54 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: don-o

BTTT


19 posted on 02/21/2007 3:01:32 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Buck W.
True Conservatives won't allow a democrat to be elected President.

That's correct. Only the liberal Republicans would support Rudy and let a democrat take the seat.

20 posted on 02/21/2007 3:03:02 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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