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A Field Guide to Rudy Boosters - Introduction
2/20/2007 | dirtboy tory peterson

Posted on 02/20/2007 7:25:29 PM PST by dirtboy

Political observers are falling over themselves trying to determine the cladistics of a newly-emergent population of political animal, the Rudy booster. This appears to be the first new species of Republican to emerge in over two decades in the Family Republicanae (the last being Conservatisi reagani), and displays a particularly odd range of behaviors that call into question the long-term political viability of the new species, as well as that of Republicanae in general if they assume a position of dominance.

Some observers have proposed classifying the new population as a subspecies of Rinous rockefelleri, whereas others have made a fairly convincing case that the new species properly belongs within the Family Democratus and the genus/species of Scoopjacksonae liebermani - an endangered group of pro-war liberals with otherwise no conservative positions, hunted nearly to extinction by the more rabid Friedhippybrainous deaniaci. But for now, they will will treated as a separate species within Rinous.

In this field guide, we will discuss the observed talking points to date of the Rudy boosters as a means to understanding their behavior in the wild, whether those are calls of alarm, anger, deception or delusion, and what those mean for making a proper and clinical determination of whether this is just a subspecies displaying new liberal tendencies is truly an emergent new species, perhaps due to geographic isolation in the liberal Northeast.

For example, take the now-commonly-heard talking point that Rudy can beat Hillary. This talking point does display anger and deception tendencies at times (especially when the Rudy booster is getting hammered on other subjects), but should properly be placed into the delusion category, given that Giuliani never outpolled Hillary during the 2000 NY Senate race even though he was the sitting mayor and she was a carpetbagger with cankles that would send Godzilla screaming back into the ocean, never to return.

And this talking point shows the precarious nature of the Rudy booster's existence - namely, that they believe that their candidate can hold together the GOP despite the lessons of 1992. That Rudy can pull in key pro-life Catholic Dem swing voters despite getting awards from NARAL. And that a pro-war candidate can survive if he strikes out leftward in search of votes into regions that are increasingly antiwar.

Interested observers are encouraged to post their observations of talking points and opinions as to the proper cladistics for Rudy boosters. This field guide will initially be organized topically and also by electoral strategy, although that could change if the behavior of Rudy boosters continues to grow more irrational and erratic.

Next chapter - how to get Rudy boosters shrieking like howler monkeys - bring up the 2nd Amendment


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To: harrowup
For a post full of nothing but generalities (half-fried at that) you are in no position to demand specifics from anyone,

I had plenty of specifics in my post. Liberals just don't like them, whether they have a (D) or an (R) next to their name.

but just so you don't go away and sulk, here is a specific answer from a Democrat:

Which means your post is suspect to begin with, but I'll humor you.

35k% of the Democrat males abhor Clinton and you'd better believe every male Democrat Senator will publically support HRC after February and then promptly vote for anyone else. Those of us to the left on social issues and hard right on national defense will vote for Giuliani or McCain.

Except that the center and left are getting more anti-Iraq War with every passing week.

The fringe right which you represent will get no one from the Democrat middle...none...nada...ziltch...zero.

Funny, pro-life Catholic Dems were a key swing vote in Ohio in 2004. In other words, my "fringe right" views on abortion were the key for Bush winning that key swing state ... and the White House.

Why do you keep coming back for this kind of punishment? You must be some kind of masochist.

121 posted on 02/22/2007 5:59:29 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
Funny, pro-life Catholic Dems were a key swing vote in Ohio in 2004. In other words, my "fringe right" views on abortion were the key for Bush winning that key swing state ... and the White House.

Actually they weren't even though that spin makes you feel good. President Bush almost lost Ohio because of government incompetence and corruption in the Republican ranks...and they all lost in 2006. Conservative Democrats didn't vote for President Bush in Ohio or anywhere else because of the abortion issue. Conservative Democrats couldn't stand mophead could not gag long enough to vote for mophead and mopheadless.

122 posted on 02/22/2007 6:08:41 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: harrowup
Actually they weren't even though that spin makes you feel good.

Wrong. For whatever reason the state GOP made the election there close - the pro-life Dem swing voters carried the day.

123 posted on 02/22/2007 6:11:37 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
...the pro-life Dem swing voters carried the day.

No, they did not and the internals are very clear on that point. The Democrats want you to believe what you cherry picked from the 'exit polls' but it is hogwash.

When it comes to a conservative Democrat who has some feelings for the right to choose or strong national defense, he will always choose national defense over choice.

Freedom of choice and right to life supporters on both sides of the question do not appeal to anyone in the middle, period because the middle is basically not interested in whatever a private person does. The middle minds it own business and that is 80% of the voter base. You and Al Sharpton get to divide up the rest.

124 posted on 02/22/2007 7:03:46 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: harrowup
No, they did not and the internals are very clear on that point. The Democrats want you to believe what you cherry picked from the 'exit polls' but it is hogwash.

Please back up your assertion, then. NR had a very compelling article to the contrary, so what have YOU got?

When it comes to a conservative Democrat who has some feelings for the right to choose or strong national defense, he will always choose national defense over choice.

Unless, of course, the drumbeat of the MSM over Iraq continues to erode support for the war. In the very demo Rudy would need to run into as a pro-war pubbie in order to make up votes lost from the GOP splintering.

It ain't happening. The Dem candidate will move rightwards far enough to keep the pro-security Dems on the rez, and Rudy won't be able to pull over pro-life and pro-gun Dems and Indies. Game over.

125 posted on 02/22/2007 7:07:09 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy

LOL. Very funny article. Love it!


126 posted on 02/22/2007 7:10:39 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope." -Duncan Hunter)
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To: Antoninus

I'll add you to the ping list for the continuing series. Should have Chapter 2 out within a day or two.


127 posted on 02/22/2007 7:22:37 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
It doesn't matter what position HRC has on the 'war'. It comes down to the fact that men are not going to be happy with a woman running the national defense and end up with another Falklands fiasco. No Democrat gives a hoot about choice v. CiC when the question is HRC. NR (I assume you mean National Review) has never figured out how the Democrats are smart enough to spend good money on 'issues' and 'feelings' which trump principles every time.

Conservative Democrats are practical folks just like their Republican counterparts.

Hillary knows she has a problem with them both just because she is a woman who happens to be a bitch.

Conservative Democrats on the other hand can't abide the evangelical right that you seem to represent. You can't have any of them...none.

Get over it...

128 posted on 02/22/2007 7:32:28 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: harrowup
Conservative Democrats on the other hand can't abide the evangelical right that you seem to represent. You can't have any of them...none.

I guess that's why Santorum got so many of their votes twice, and finally lost them when the Dems ran a pro-life candidate. /sarcasm

And I see you failed to back up the internals that you claimed you had regarding the 2004 Ohio vote.

You're pwned and don't know it.

129 posted on 02/22/2007 7:42:57 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: aligncare
That's Hailey Barbour. I just didn't want you to confuse him with the other Haily Barber. /s
130 posted on 02/22/2007 8:10:50 AM PST by aligncare (Beware the Media-Industrial Complex!)
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To: harrowup
Freedom of choice and right to life supporters on both sides of the question do not appeal to anyone in the middle, period because the middle is basically not interested in whatever a private person does. and that is 80% of the voter base. You and Al Sharpton get to divide up the rest.

What you are saying is these people in the middle are all pro-abortion? And you think that is 80% of the voters?

You really believe that 90% of Americans believe its okay for women to kill their babies ,80% because it is none of their business?, and 10% want women to kill their babies?

The middle minds it own business

Why would they even vote? What about the 2nd amendment, etc..
131 posted on 02/22/2007 8:32:28 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: harrowup; dirtboy
35k% of the Democrat males abhor Clinton and you'd better believe every male Democrat Senator will publically support HRC after February and then promptly vote for anyone else. Those of us to the left on social issues and hard right on national defense will vote for Giuliani or McCain.

Are you/he saying he is a democrat here?, or are you saying you are looking to replace the 35% of the Republican social conservative base with 35% of the democrat base?

WOW you guys aren't just trying to redefine conservative, you are trying to redefine the Republican party.
132 posted on 02/22/2007 8:41:35 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium; dirtboy
dirtboy is trying to make you believe that the prolife vote whether Democrat or Republican is critical to the win in Ohio and the internals prove otherwise. A Democrat pro-life conservative voted for President Bush because he was clear about terrorism and not because of some flyer he found in the pew one morning. When that same Democrat is off the camera and talking to another Democrat he says that.

Strength on defense will trump personal behavior beliefs when it comes to the CiC.

He doesn't like the fact that I have better sources than National Review.

The radical fringe of both parties are so consumed by hate, bigotry and ignorance that they haven't a clue what goes on in the minds of the middle ground voter of either party or persuasion, libertarian or no party affiliation whatsoever.

The Democrats finally learned that in 2004 and almost fixed it and by 2006 they owned it. If the Republican Party has a candidate holding those fringe views they will lose.

The sad thing is that these same right wing zealots will vote for one of their favorite nuthatches like Keyes, Buchanan, Tancredo, Paul who will run as the third party hiccup.

Meanwhile the Democrats will cheerfully allow Nader to take his greens out for the Lincoln Day dinner and they'll all meet back at the union hall and laugh their asses off at dirtboy and his juvenile screaming Deany loons.

It has come to your attention has it not that our loon is silent? Know why? Discipline. Consequences.

The Republican Party needs some backbone alright. They need to tell their fringe to go back to shack in the trailer park.

133 posted on 02/22/2007 9:30:39 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: harrowup
dirtboy is trying to make you believe that the prolife vote whether Democrat or Republican is critical to the win in Ohio and the internals prove otherwise. A Democrat pro-life conservative voted for President Bush because he was clear about terrorism and not because of some flyer he found in the pew one morning

You still have failed to back this up. Whereas NR did an article supporting my position.

134 posted on 02/22/2007 9:31:54 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
You still have failed to back this up. Whereas NR did an article supporting my position.

You're right, I didn't. Let me correct that for you:

"He doesn't like the fact that I have better sources than National Review [has in the DNC].

135 posted on 02/22/2007 9:44:40 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: harrowup
"He doesn't like the fact that I have better sources than National Review [has in the DNC].

NR relies on DNC sources. Gotcha.

So, after dispensing of that little bit of absurdity, once again, where are your internals proving your assertions?

136 posted on 02/22/2007 9:46:23 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: harrowup; dirtboy
My first words were:"You are so full of s---, but I really want to debate this..not sure why?

I believe you are the wishing it was this way because you are so consumed by hate, bigotry and ignorance that they haven't a clue what goes on in the minds of the middle ground voter of either party or persuasion, libertarian or no party affiliation whatsoever.

I personally have years and years of on the ground experience knocking on thousands of doors each campaign season. I meet lots of folks, democrats, republican, independents and libertarian. I have traveled around the country alot. I talk to folks everywhere I go. I talk politics everywhere I go. I pay attention.

Nothing you have said here makes any sense what so ever, not in perspective to the whole entire country. Maybe in some small exclusive fringe group you belong too?

You are trying to twist it around to say that families and regular folks don't care about values anymore, and that anyone who does is a radical bigot?

Like dirtboy says, you have absolutely nothing to back up your claims, that is why you have failed to even try.
137 posted on 02/22/2007 9:59:40 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: dirtboy
NR relies on DNC sources. Gotcha.

You are truly one dim bulb. Good thing Wal-mart is switching to fluorescent.

For those watching, NR couldn't get into the DNC with a pass from Joe Lieberman.

Now, I shall resist responding to anymore of your silliness and bravada. It is your thread after all and I don't wish to make you look any more inept than your original parody implied...not that there is anything wrong with that.

138 posted on 02/22/2007 10:03:03 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: Delphinium
Bears repeating

...you are so consumed by hate, bigotry and ignorance that they haven't a clue what goes on in the minds of the middle ground voter of either party or persuasion, libertarian or no party affiliation whatsoever.

139 posted on 02/22/2007 10:14:11 AM PST by harrowup (I invite Gore to solve the Hillary-Barack problem by announcing in August...)
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To: harrowup
You are truly one dim bulb. Good thing Wal-mart is switching to fluorescent. For those watching, NR couldn't get into the DNC with a pass from Joe Lieberman.

My gawd, you really need to wait until later in the day to start consuming whatever it is you are consuming. You are becoming more incoherent with each passing post.

Do me a favor and wait until tomorrow morning to resume posting in the outside chance you can start making sense then. Unless, of course, whatever it is you are on hasn't worn off by then. Later.

140 posted on 02/22/2007 10:39:12 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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