Posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:04 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 02/19/2007 2:20:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.
How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash? If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives? How can we possibly hope to advance our conservative causes if we tuck tail and run when we should be fighting as if our very survival as a free people depends upon it. Because it does.
We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive. If you want proof, ask Arnie, the socially liberal Republican governor of California. No thanks. You can have him and the socialist horse he rode in on.
We cannot defend life, liberty or nation (see below discussion on securing borders) with a social liberal at the helm.
I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.
Here's a starter list and it's open for discussion, cutting, consolidation, expansion and detailing:
Would a conservative platform focusing on victory in the war, national security, national defense, securing the borders, deporting illegal aliens, sound fiscal policy and defense of life, liberty, property and individual rights be a winner over Hillary's treasonous platform of surrender, weakness, open borders, socialist fiscal policies, "abortion rights," "gay rights," global warming, continued government abuses and subversion of our rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to keep and bear arms and private property rights?
Expanding on one issue, for example, I'm pushing for increased border security. I used to be in favor of some sort of temporary worker program, but not one that has a fast track to citizenship. I'm now coming around to the point of view held by the majority of Americans regardless of political party affiliation and that is we MUST secure the borders immediately. It's obvious that this war against Islamic fascism is going to grind on even after we put down the nasty business in Iraq. We must secure the borders against terrorist intrusion and infiltration. We must tightly control ALL immigration to the US.
It's also becoming more and more obvious that Americans are not happy with illegals taking jobs in an ever growing number of industries. They're no longer just doing field labor and or menial low paying tasks. They're creeping up the uskilled labor and union scale, only they're competing unfairly by accepting low wages and under the table payments.
We also need to seal the borders against drug smugglers, weapons smugglers, criminals, terrorists, etc. Catch them, try them and lock them up.
Americans are also tired of footing the bills for illegal alien health care, education, welfare, auto accidents, crime, disease, etc.
It's way past time to call a halt to this nonsense. I say we catch them at the borders and deport them. If we catch them again, place them in a work camp. If they want to work, fine, let them work in a work camp for their keep. Nothing more. And no illegal families or children or anchor babies. If it takes additional laws on the books, fine let's get it done. If it takes a constitutional amendment to stop the anchor babies, let's get the process started.
We should also catch and deport them when they show up at the DMV, voter registration or voting booth, unemployment line, bank, building permit office, welfare department, social security office, hospitals, free clinics, schools, jails, auto accident or traffic stops, etc. If they can't speak English and they don't have valid identification, then we need to hold them or call in the INS.
If we're going to secure the nation we must secure the borders, control immigration and stop pandering to the illegals or their enablers. Employers who willingly and knowingly hire illegals should be punished. If they pay their workers under the table and fail to withhold taxes or social security, they should be dealt with as felons.
So, we win the war, secure the nation, build our defenses, return to a sound fiscal policy, cut spending and taxes, and defend our rights.
How many states would go for this platform as opposed to Hillary's that is exactly opposite?
I think we'd even pull in California.
What say you?
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LOL! First off, it is not rhetoric. It is a valid concern and major issue for the majority of Americans.
By your logic, McCain should be pulling away from the pack with the nomination due to his pro amnesty stance.
Hows that working out for him, again?
Obedience of the law is demanded; not asked as a favor.
We can have no “50-50” allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all.
Theodore Roosevelt
“Appoint Constitutional originalists” tops my list.
You didn't ask me, but IMHO, with the possible exception of Hunter, we do not have anywhere near our best squad on the field.
Draft a Dark Horse!
VP Should absolutely be a woman with the nerve and verve to attack Mrs. Clinton personally ... and on her written thoughts. She has no political record!
I absolutely cannot see American women flocking to Mrs. Clinton's standard if we had someone on the ticket with the ability to put her record as a Rapist's Enabler on the table.
And never call her by her first name. Mrs. Clinton is all this woman is ever going to be. It must be made crystal clear that by a vote for Mrs. Clinton, you get Mr. Clinton. A vote for her IS a vote for him.
***Make anti-immigration a major part of your platform and you are doomed.***
I agree anti-immgration is a loser. Anti-illegal immigration / pro-border security is a winner. The trick is to support border secuirty without sounding anti-Hispanic.
Sounds like a good place to start. I'll try to work on it some and see what I can find!
You think Ronald Reagan was a traitor?
You are either nuts or have to use a calculator to count.
But sadly, Americans have a poor memory, as TONS of Democrats would vote for Bubba in a heart-beat if they could - and some would vote for Hitlery only because they think Bubba would actually be Pres. - YUP - WE GET THE KIND OF GUB'MINT WE DESERVE......
Hurrah! One of the reasons previous immigrant waves, as puny as they were compared to the Latino invasion, succeeded is that you cannot walk back to Poland.
We run a real border and two things happen: (1) Those Mexicans (etc) who don't really want to be here leave and cannot re-enter. (2)Those Mexicans who really want to stay here might be forced to concentrate on what being here really means, instead of keeping their border bounder hearts and money in Mexico.
Oprime Número 2 para español: Si tu corazón está en México, allá con tu culo también.
Jim,
I sincerely believe that pro-life must be on that list.
Sincerely,
Bob
Great List Jim, looks like my “Contract with America” that I wrote in 2006. I have sent it to my fav. candidates with 20 bucks (that is what I sent FR every quarter)
Pass the FairTax
lower taxes, lower spending
secure borders (80% of the people want this)
energy independance
English as the US language
need VOTER ID(overwelmingly popular)
victory against islamoterrorists
get out of UN (75% of Americans want this including some we freep against**)
protect property rights
**as for the UN thing one UN day a bunch of us met at the Texas State Capitol to burn the UN flag. There was a BIG crowd and I have never felt so uncomfortable at a freep in my life. Most of the crowd was the anti-war socialists that we freep against and now we were standing shoulder to shoulder to burn a UN flag. it was weird. The State troopers came over and said “hey you can’t burn the flag right at the foot of the capitol”. Fortunately we asked where we could burn it and he said step over about 10 steps to the right so that we weren’t on the bricks that had names LOL we happily burned and a good time was had by all. But I think this is popular plank for both sides.
The more I’ve thought about it, the more it seems that EVERY major issue deals with Security.
Secure our Border
Secure our Nation
Secure our Right to Life
Secure our Right to Protect Ourselves
Secure our Financial Stability
Secure our Right to Religion
Secure our Homelife, Families, Marriages
Secure our Jobs and Competitiveness
Secure our Energy Independence
Secure our Property
you forgot one:
SECURE our Constitution
I love it!
Thanks.
Looking at the all-time low approval ratings of the Democratically-led congress, it's obvious that nation hungers for conservative leadership. The Republican base certainly hungers for a conservative it can enthusiastically support.
Sadly, given the pathetic group of Republican Presidential candidates, it's appearing likely a RINO will get the nomination. It's merely a matter of which RINO.
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