Posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:04 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 02/19/2007 2:20:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
I was told earlier this evening that it's impossible for a conservative to win the general election against Hillary Clinton. That the socially liberal Rudy Giuliani is the ONLY Republican who can (a) beat Hillary and (b) win the war.
How many FReepers actually believe this hogwash? If we have no faith in our own conservative principles and values why do we call ourselves conservatives? How can we possibly hope to advance our conservative causes if we tuck tail and run when we should be fighting as if our very survival as a free people depends upon it. Because it does.
We cannot advance conservatism by running a social liberal for the office of chief executive. If you want proof, ask Arnie, the socially liberal Republican governor of California. No thanks. You can have him and the socialist horse he rode in on.
We cannot defend life, liberty or nation (see below discussion on securing borders) with a social liberal at the helm.
I'd like to build a winning conservative platform with a dozen or so hard hitting no nonsense points that we can all agree on that would help us focus on our best potential primary nominee and one that can defeat Hillary, et al, in the general.
Here's a starter list and it's open for discussion, cutting, consolidation, expansion and detailing:
Would a conservative platform focusing on victory in the war, national security, national defense, securing the borders, deporting illegal aliens, sound fiscal policy and defense of life, liberty, property and individual rights be a winner over Hillary's treasonous platform of surrender, weakness, open borders, socialist fiscal policies, "abortion rights," "gay rights," global warming, continued government abuses and subversion of our rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, right to keep and bear arms and private property rights?
Expanding on one issue, for example, I'm pushing for increased border security. I used to be in favor of some sort of temporary worker program, but not one that has a fast track to citizenship. I'm now coming around to the point of view held by the majority of Americans regardless of political party affiliation and that is we MUST secure the borders immediately. It's obvious that this war against Islamic fascism is going to grind on even after we put down the nasty business in Iraq. We must secure the borders against terrorist intrusion and infiltration. We must tightly control ALL immigration to the US.
It's also becoming more and more obvious that Americans are not happy with illegals taking jobs in an ever growing number of industries. They're no longer just doing field labor and or menial low paying tasks. They're creeping up the uskilled labor and union scale, only they're competing unfairly by accepting low wages and under the table payments.
We also need to seal the borders against drug smugglers, weapons smugglers, criminals, terrorists, etc. Catch them, try them and lock them up.
Americans are also tired of footing the bills for illegal alien health care, education, welfare, auto accidents, crime, disease, etc.
It's way past time to call a halt to this nonsense. I say we catch them at the borders and deport them. If we catch them again, place them in a work camp. If they want to work, fine, let them work in a work camp for their keep. Nothing more. And no illegal families or children or anchor babies. If it takes additional laws on the books, fine let's get it done. If it takes a constitutional amendment to stop the anchor babies, let's get the process started.
We should also catch and deport them when they show up at the DMV, voter registration or voting booth, unemployment line, bank, building permit office, welfare department, social security office, hospitals, free clinics, schools, jails, auto accident or traffic stops, etc. If they can't speak English and they don't have valid identification, then we need to hold them or call in the INS.
If we're going to secure the nation we must secure the borders, control immigration and stop pandering to the illegals or their enablers. Employers who willingly and knowingly hire illegals should be punished. If they pay their workers under the table and fail to withhold taxes or social security, they should be dealt with as felons.
So, we win the war, secure the nation, build our defenses, return to a sound fiscal policy, cut spending and taxes, and defend our rights.
How many states would go for this platform as opposed to Hillary's that is exactly opposite?
I think we'd even pull in California.
What say you?
The liberal leftists are currently beating us a degree at a time by pushing our party ever so slightly more toward the left so that it becomes more and more evident to true conservatives that regardless of which party's candidate wins, the democrats can privately claim victory while publicly denouncing each GOP victory. The "win at any cost" FReepers are a prime example of those who have fallen into this trap. At this rate, in the not too distant future, conservative-minded citizens will be utterly without a party to represent their interests and beliefs (some would argue that we're close to that stage now).
We must not let this happen! We must stop this blurring of the lines between leftist socialistic-globalist ideology and true American INDEPENDENT conservative ideology. We must make the voters choice as clear and distinctly different as night and day. To do that we must relentlessly communicate those differences and convince the voters that they must choose which political ideology they want to live under.
Taking then your list of conservative issues, I propose that we support a candidate that will communicate this disparity of ideologies and convince them that the conservative way is the only way our nation will continue to remain strong.
CONSERVATIVES
Win the war!
Secure the nation!
Secure the borders!
Stop the illegal aliens! Rebuild the military!
Deal with growing threats!
Cut government!
Cut spending!
Cut taxes!
Allow the free economy to expand!
Return control of states issues to the states!
Defend life, liberty, property and individual rights!
LIBERAL LEFTISM
Appease our enemies and lose.
Leave our nation exposed to threats.
Keep terrorist pathways unobstructed.
Provide illegal alien rights superior to our citizens.
Deconstruct and weaken the military.
Become a U.N. slave nation.
Grow nanny state government.
Expand nanny state spending.
Punitively expand taxation.
Oppressively regulate business.
Central government nannyism.
Lose national identity and citizen independence - assimilate into U.N. global community.
I repeat the charge. We MUST give the voting citizens a CLEAR and DISTINCT choice between two opposing political belief systems. If we lose then the citizens will have spoken and there's nothing else we could have done to change their minds. We will have to deal with the consequences.
BTW, the only candidate I currently see that can fill the conservative shoes we so desperately need, is Duncan Hunter. All others will simply take us further down the path of liberal death by degree. LORD help us and be merciful to us if we lose the election in 2008.
That doesn't mean that we shouldn't work hard to move our country in the direction that we think is best for us and our children. If we can push back against the dark barbarism that threatens us perhaps soon the tide will change (it does happen) and things will get better.
(oh yeah, things'll still be really screwed up).
How many people knew Obama until here lately?
Also have to remind people over and over that Muslims have hit us twice in this country and have said over and over they are going to do it again. Why wait till they kill hundreds of thousands of Americans to secure the border. Too many Americans are forgetful of what happen on 911 or they figure it won't happen where they live.
Thanks for the ping, VR. It's amazing to watch Hunter's candidacy take off.
I like the list. I'd say not necessarily in that order, though.
ABSOLUTELY!!! Been saying this for 2 years.
It is OUR security, let us decide whether to fund the war!
Yes, and the John P Murtha Highway to nowhere in Pennsylvania.
Dear Jim Robinson,
"What say you?"
"12. Defend life, liberty, property and individual rights!"
As long as this includes defense of innocent human life, from conception to natural death, I'm on board.
Although, I think that the defense of human rights, of life, liberty, and property, are the primary functions of government, and thus should be closer to #1 than #12.
sitetest
Take every penny of forign aid and give to the military
When we go to war for our intrests only,rule one NO rules!!!
Agreed. Look forward to the little less screwed up time! :)
100% agree. Those who feel that only a moderate to left republican can win the general election should switch parties and join the Democrat party. That seems to be their party of choice anyway.
"If everyone is so "fed up" why is the issue the kiss of death to a campaign??"
Keep dreaming.
Thank you Jim! Great points!
FYI
bttt
Step One: IF he becomes the nominee is too late. NOW is the time to let everyone know who DUNCAN HUNTER is so that he IS the nominee.
a political system with no choice is just as bad. I won't hold my nose and vote for a RINO.
Ditto!!!
I'm starting to get tired of hearing this argument.
I became tired of it 2 years ago.
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