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Assault Rifles for Hunters? (Zumbo goes mad)
Remington Country website ^ | 16 FEB 2007 | Jim Zumbo

Posted on 02/18/2007 11:32:57 AM PST by xsrdx

As I write this, I'm hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We're testing Remington's brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.


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To: ZULU
He's right about hunting and military rifles.

Oh, really?

So bolt-action rifles, such as the '03 Springfield, various Lee-Enfields, Mausers, etc., should not be used to hunt?

They are all "military" rifles.

What about so-called "sporting" rifles, chambered cartridges such as the .30-06, .308 Winchester (7.62x51 Nato), .303 British, 8mm Mauser, .30-40 Krag, .45-70 Government, .223 Remington (5.56 Nato), etc., etc.?

Should they be prohibited as well? After all, those are all evil "military" cartridges.

281 posted on 02/19/2007 1:14:21 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: Greystoke

OOOOOH, nice FN!


282 posted on 02/19/2007 1:33:46 PM PST by GingisK
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To: mountn man

So I guess there is no such thing as poaching; they're just being "more sporting" than the rest of us.


283 posted on 02/19/2007 1:36:00 PM PST by GunRunner
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To: Charles Martel
I like this one, courtesy of one of the nice folks over at AR-15.com:

Nothing fancy about it, but it speaks loud and clear.

So does this 'un:


284 posted on 02/19/2007 1:43:15 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: ZULU
He's right about hunting and military rifles.

As long as the hunter obeys the magazine capacity and minimum caliber size restrictions (where applicable), what difference does the rifle's appearance make? IMO, an AR-15 makes a fine coyote rifle, and a scoped heavy-barrel variant will pop groundhogs all day long. Although I've never killed a deer with a .223, I have used an AR clone (Bushmaster) on several feral pigs.

The pork chops and roasts were delicious.

285 posted on 02/19/2007 2:06:53 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: archy
Evidently, the following was a new AR-15.com member's FIRST post. Eeeouch!

Looks like thirty pieces of Silver is still the going rate.


286 posted on 02/19/2007 2:13:33 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: wysiwyg
I'd guess they're concerned about comments overwhelming their server capacity...

This will be interesting to watch. His retraction was pretty solid, but he really has alienated a LOT of his core readership with his brazen display of ignorance.

He's earned the resultant consequences. Kinda sad really, a lot of people read his stuff.

As an aside, the sheer volume and tenacity of the response to this article is frankly inspiring - I am hopeful that any future gun ban proposals will be opposed with the same coordinated ferocity.

287 posted on 02/19/2007 2:25:12 PM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: holymoly

I should have said "modern" military rifles.

My second statement still stands.

Besides most of you hunting types like to "sporterize" (i.e. butcher) the rifles you mentioned by mangeling the stock and ruining the barrel with telescopic sites and putting rubber buttplates on them to protect your tender shoulders.


288 posted on 02/19/2007 2:41:36 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Charles Martel

When I think of a "hunting rifle" I think Pennsylvania Rifle, Hawken Rifle, Winchester, Sharpes, bolt action Wheatherby, Remington, etc. - not a Colt M-16 or Garand or M 1917 - although I shoot the latter and think them for quite useful for - other purposes.


289 posted on 02/19/2007 2:45:21 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: xsrdx
I'd guess they're concerned about comments overwhelming their server capacity...

It's more than that. Outdoor Life was one of several magazines that Time-Warner sold off just last month. I suspect this entire affair will NOT make the new owners real happy....

Outdoor Life was owned by Time4 Media, a division of Time Inc. In 1990 Time Inc. was bought by Warner communications to create Time Warner, a conglomerate of communication, publication and entertainment companies. The magazine also licensed their title to the Outdoor Life Network cable channel from its 1996 launch until 2006, when the network dramatically de-emphasized programs about fishing and hunting, and changed their name to Versus (TV channel). The Outdoor Life Network name was retained on the Canadian version of the channel.

http://www.timewarner.com/corp/print/0,20858,1582185,00.html

Bonnier Magazine Group Buys 18 Magazines from Time Inc.

January 25, 2007

New York, NY – Bonnier Magazine Group and Time Inc., a Time Warner company (NYSE: TWX), today announced that Bonnier will acquire Time Inc.'s Parenting Group and Time4 Media titles. Through this transaction, Stockholm-based Bonnier and its U.S. magazine partner, World Publications, will become one of the largest consumer publishing groups in America, with 40 titles and annual revenue of more than $350 million.

Under the proposed agreement, Bonnier will acquire 18 titles, which will join World Publications' award-winning, market-leading collection of magazines, such as Saveur, Spa and Islands. The expanded portfolio strengthens the company's position among special-interest magazines and increases its new media opportunities.

Jonas Bonnier, Chairman of the Bonnier Magazine Group, said: "We are extremely pleased to have reached an agreement that elevates Bonnier to the highest echelon of consumer publishers nationwide. The potential synergies between the new properties and World's existing titles — as well as the corporate and individual growth that it will lead to — makes the future bright for all of us."

This is Bonnier's third acquisition in the United States during the past year and its first major purchase of a magazine group after its partnership with World.

Terry Snow, CEO of World Publications, said: "These new titles are a perfect strategic fit with World's special-interest magazines and what we excel at — connecting people with their passions. And I am especially looking forward to working with this talented group of editing and publishing executives. We're committed to building high-quality brands through exceptional editorial products, whether in print or online, and the potential to be the leading multimedia resource in our new and existing special-interest areas is very exciting to us."

Dick Parsons, Time Warner Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, said: "This is a smart transaction that advances both the interests of our shareholders and Time Inc.'s future success. This sale and our other recent divestitures are enabling us to concentrate our resources on developing our most strategic and promising opportunities to grow our businesses."

Ann Moore, Time Inc. Chairman and CEO, said: "I am very pleased to have found the right buyer for The Parenting Group and Time4 Media, one that will be able to nurture their specialized titles. This transaction underscores Time Inc.'s commitment to focus our energy, resources and investment on our biggest and most profitable brands. I'd also like to welcome Bonnier to the New York publishing world, which continues to be an active and vibrant industry."

The acquired magazines are as follows: Parenting, Babytalk, Popular Science, Field & Stream, Outdoor Life, Yachting, MotorBoating, Salt Water Sportsman, Skiing, SKI, TransWorld SKATEboarding, TransWorld SNOWBOARDING, TransWorld MOTOCROSS, TransWorld SURF, ride bmx, QUAD, SHOT BUSINESS and TransWorld business. Editorial, sales and marketing staff will remain in New York, California and Colorado.

The acquisition is subject to regulatory approval. J.P. Morgan Securities Inc. acted as financial advisor to Time Inc. on this transaction; AdMedia Partners Inc. acted as financial advisor to Bonnier.

About Bonnier
Bonnier (www.bonnier.com) is a 200-year-old company with approximately $2.9 billion in annual revenue. Based in Stockholm, Bonnier has operations in more than 20 countries, including magazine divisions in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Spain. Some of its best-known titles are Illustreret Videnskab, a popular science magazine; I Form, a health and fitness title; and Bo Bedre, a home and garden monthly.

About World Publications
Over the past three decades, World Publications (www.worldpub.net) has grown from a single magazine title into one of America's most successful special-interest multimedia companies. World's magazines continue to garner industry awards for their writing, design, photography and journalistic coverage. The company is also known for producing quality custom publications, television, websites, events and marketing programs in all of its markets. The company's headquarters are in Winter Park, Florida, and it maintains offices in New York, Newport, Rhode Island, Santa Barbara, California, and a dozen other locations throughout the United States.

About The Parenting Group
The Parenting Group delivers over 15 million mom impressions and 20 million consumer touchpoints every month to the valuable mom market. Its two flagship brands are Parenting, the nation's premier magazine for moms, and the Babytalk portfolio, which includes the monthly Babytalk magazine and its siblings Babytalk First Months and Babytalk Mom-to-Be. The Parenting Group's other extensions include: Parenting.com; MomConnection, an online research tool; First Moments, a sampling operation; and a custom publishing unit.

About Time4 Media
Time4 Media is a multi-media company serving large, enthusiast audiences via magazines, websites, television and radio programming, feature- films and live events. Leading publishers of men's special interest magazines, Time4 Media titles include some of America's biggest and best-known brands including Field & Stream, Popular Science, SKI, Yachting, and TransWorld SKATEboarding. The company's 14 consumer and three trade publications, all leaders in their categories, have a combined monthly circulation of nearly six million and an audience of more than 33 million. Nine National Magazine Awards nominations and four wins over the past four years are evidence of a relentless focus on editorial quality. Related web properties, including the largest outdoor, action sports and snow sports communities online, bring Time4 Media's combined audience to more than 60 million active, passionate enthusiasts. The company's Warren Miller Entertainment division, producers of the largest action sports movie tour on the planet, serves as a film, video and television production enterprise for all Time4 Media brands.

About Time Inc.
Time Inc., a Time Warner company, is one of the largest content companies in the world. With approximately 150 magazines, it is the largest magazine publisher in the U.S. and U.K. Each month, one of out every two American adults reads a Time Inc. magazine, and one out of every 10 visits a company website (more than 19 million unique visitors). Time Inc.'s popular brands and successful franchises extend to online, television, cable VOD, satellite radio, mobile devices, events and branded products.

About Time Warner Inc.
Time Warner Inc. is a leading media and entertainment company, whose businesses include interactive services, cable systems, filmed entertainment, television networks and publishing.

Contact Info:
Bonnier
Erik Månsson
+46 70 569 2930
erik.mansson@bonnier.se

World Publications
Dean Turcol
(407) 405-0097
dean.turcol@worldpub.net

Time Inc.
Dawn Bridges
(212) 522-2494
dawn_bridges@timeinc.com

Danielle Perissi
(212) 522-5951
danielle_perissi@timeinc.com

Time Warner Inc.
Edward Adler
(212) 484-6630
edward.adler@timewarner.com

Keith Cocozza
(212) 484-7482
keith.cocozza@timewarner.com

TimeWarner press release on Bonnier Group sale


290 posted on 02/19/2007 2:46:56 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: xsrdx

For those who have missed his self inflicted gunshot wound and his furious attempt to retract his stupidity in the face of incoming fire, here's a link you might like. Google Cache, it's not just for political shenanigans anymore.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:ldEAJHvKgc0J:outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html+http://outdoorlife.blogs.com/zumbo/2007/02/i_was_wrong_big.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


291 posted on 02/19/2007 2:54:02 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: ZULU
I should have said "modern" military rifles.

Military rifles are selective fire. They can be fired both semi-automatic, and fully automatic.

The civilian "look-alikes" are semi-automatic only. You pull the trigger, and they fire one round, and one round only.

They are not "military" rifles.

Besides most of you hunting types like to "sporterize" (i.e. butcher) the rifles you mentioned by mangeling the stock and ruining the barrel with telescopic sites and putting rubber buttplates on them to protect your tender shoulders.

No one I know does that.

And even if someone does... so what?

292 posted on 02/19/2007 3:20:42 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

The anti-assault weapon hunters are too stupid to realize that liberals hate ALL guns and cannot tell the difference between a highly customized deer rifle and a "sniper rifle".


293 posted on 02/19/2007 3:27:15 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: archy; y'all
"-- Those who commit treason against their country, adhering to our enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, should be hanged or imprisoned as provided by law- with a ban on the holding of any public office of trust thereafter.

Those who solicit the passage of unconstitutional laws that deny the constitutional rights of others deserve no less for their attempt to cause criminal violence. And that too has penalties called for in the law.

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Thanks archy.. -- Far too many on this site think that the 2nd Amendment [a Law of the Land] can ~only~ be infringed by gov't & its officials. ..
Individuals like Zumbro, or businessmen who ban guns from the marketplace, -- are also bound to "support and defend" our basic constitutional principles..

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Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; --"

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Bookmarked..

294 posted on 02/19/2007 5:08:49 PM PST by tpaine (" My most important function on the Supreme Court is to tell the majority to take a walk." -Scalia <)
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To: xsrdx

Sad... Well, I won't be buying any more Remington products until he's gone. Take note Remington.

I guess from now on the bolt guns I'll be building will be on McMillan actions.

Mike


295 posted on 02/19/2007 5:11:10 PM PST by BCR #226 (Abortion is the pagan sacrifice of an innocent virgin child for the sins of the mother and father.)
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To: BCR #226

uh....
http://www.remington.com/library/press/2007/2007-1.asp

Madison, North Carolina – As a result of comments made by Mr. Jim Zumbo in recent postings on his blog site, Remington Arms Company, Inc., has severed all sponsorship ties with Mr. Zumbo effective immediately. While Mr. Zumbo is entitled to his opinions and has the constitutional right to freely express those opinions, these comments are solely his, and do not reflect the views of Remington.

“Remington has spent tens of millions of dollars defending our Second Amendment rights to privately own and possess firearms and we will continue to vigorously fight to protect these rights,” commented Tommy Millner, Remington’s CEO and President. “As hunters and shooters of all interest levels, we should strive to utilize this unfortunate occurrence to unite as a whole in support of our Second Amendment rights.”

We regret having to terminate our long-standing relationship with Mr. Zumbo, who is a well-respected writer and life-long hunter.


296 posted on 02/19/2007 5:16:43 PM PST by go_W_go
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To: go_W_go

I e-mailed Remington yesterday and got the same response. Good for Remington. Evidently they do read their e-mails and take the 2nd Amendment seriously, unlike Mr. Zumbo.


297 posted on 02/19/2007 5:45:23 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: xsrdx
I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

Except for the miss-spelling of 'prairie', the most objectionable word is 'ban'. To ban is to exercise total control, as if a second ammendment never existed and one were born wearing a 'king' hat. It is an attempted re-write of the Bill of Rights, therefore: null and void.

"America-- love it or leave it": amazing just how many should leave.

298 posted on 02/19/2007 6:24:44 PM PST by budwiesest ("It's for the common good, stupid.")
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To: SampleMan

"Sporting to me equates to "less lethal", which is less humane."

In this context, "sport hunting" as opposed to "market hunting." Sport hunters kill one or a few animals while market hunters kill dozens or hundreds.


299 posted on 02/19/2007 7:00:49 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: holymoly
"Military rifles are selective fire. They can be fired both semi-automatic, and fully automatic."

We both know that. We also both know how easy it is to convert them to fully automatic - not that I give a horse's ass about that.

"They are not "military" rifles. "

If you know how to handle a semi-automatic M 1 Garand, it should be pretty easy to figure out how to operate an M14. I guess an M16 isn't that much different. And THAT is the real reason for the Second Amendment.

"No one I know does that. "

You are hanging out with the "right" people. But visit a gun show or some of the larger gun stores and see all those fine WW1 rifles butchered by "sportization".

"And even if someone does... so what?"

I think a piece of history should be preserved, not destroyed. If they want a light bolt action for hunting they should go out and buy one - not wreck something that might have been at the Argonne Forest or Chateau-Thierry.
300 posted on 02/19/2007 7:10:07 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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