Posted on 02/15/2007 6:28:31 PM PST by dbehsman
In late December 2006, the U.S. House Committee on Government Reform issued an unflattering report on the state of affairs at one of the nation's more cherished institutions.
One day students might study this report – damningly titled "Intolerance and the Politicization of Science at the Smithsonian" – as a turning point in the history of science. For the time being, however, the report and the scandal at the heart of it attract very close to no attention in the media, let alone in the nation's schools.
Says Dr. Richard Sternberg, the Galileo of the Smithsonian scandal, "The press has not wanted to touch [the report]. Things like this aren't supposed to happen."
What did happen to Dr. Sternberg is shocking even by Washington standards. The damage done to his career is real, irreversible and symptomatic of the lengths the science establishment will go to suppress challenges to the most vulnerable of its paradigms, namely Darwinism and its derivatives.
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Do you really expect anyone to believe that?
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Darwinism is a humanist religion that doesn't tolerate dissent. Scientists who disagree with their Darwinist contemporaries in the scientific community aren't burned at the stake as heretics were in medieval Europe, but they're persecuted in other ways for the same reason, heresy.
Not you.
More than one, more than once. At one point, it was presented as the primary criteria of credibility. Apparently, only when it conveniently suits DC'ers. Also, it was pointed out that FR has 'lost all these great PhD's' and 'we (FR) were less of a site without them'.
Right.
Yeah, kind of funny how no evos came out in support of the PhD issue. Guess all those evos checked the creationist website and saw all those highly touted PhDs. Kind of humorous. A PhD is highly valued when held by a evo but find a creo with the same or higher degree and it doesn't mean a thing.
the science is the science, with or without them.
...there are hard core liberals in charge of the Smithsonian. For a long time, the air and space museum had an exhibit about Hiroshima which basically blamed America for dropping the bomb. Don't know if it's still there, don't know anything about the details of what's going on at the Natural History museum.
And that, my friend, is the truth.
Ok, been doing a bit of pondering over the question. The ID scientist states that a 5 to 10 million window is just too small for the explosion of advanced lifeforms that we see at 540 million years ago at the start of the cambrian.In that context he's right. The odds are about the same as lottery odds.
But here's where he went wrong : we know the earth-moon system was formed 4.4B years ago. The captured moon, by the RC/RC process(similar to the SL9 comet train of 1994, in part)perturbed the terran ring planetisimals out of orbit(wet gravel)and onto the equator in a 20 to 50 km thick swath-band.
That layer then became the parent material of the future continents and oceans, Gen 2:6 explains that well. By 3.9B the oceans were in place. We know that from dated stromtalites in australia(mushroom shaped shore rocks)and many other sources.
That then gives us black smokers on the sea floor that have 3.3B years to evolve higher life forms, not a mere 10M years on the surface. The atmosphere was a reducing chemistry(your septic tank if you will). Thus these seafloor advanced organisms only appeared at the surface when O2 became abundant, but they had been developing/mutating all throughout that 3.3B period DOWN BELOW.
I'm certainly not the first person to advance the black smoker idea by any means, it's just that when the lazy intellectual, upon hitting a BIG MYSTERY, throws up his hands and said it must have been GOD that did it...is akin to the ancient norse who said lightning was THOR'S HAMMER vs Ben Franklin and other early scientists who found out what lightning REALLY is.
What I strenuously object to is other scientists getting on this scientists case about his ID opinion. All new ideas begin as crazy heresy, and most ARE crazy. But it is intellectually dishonest to reject ALL new ideas. Wegeners continental drift theory was first rejected at first, now the living TRUTH in geodynamics.
And so the debate rages on, of no consequence to the larger world, but interesting to some scientists as FORENSIC DETECTIVES. Sort of like the "ice man" whose body emerged from a glacier some years ago, an old, OLD murder mystery finally SOLVED, but who was the "perp"?
He used 17 Billion years for his calculations. Even with 17 Billion years, it's statistically impossible for more than 25 correct codons to self-organize, mathematically.
If self-organization is ruled out mathematically, that leaves some flavor of "bias" to tip the scales.
ok
"As to Pappas, it is well within probability that organisms found the right software, using excess energy, to use it to self-order." ...
"There are lies, then there are DAMNED lies, then there's STATISTICS" - Mark Twain. Look, neither one of us is an expert in this field of paleobiology, leave it to them to figure it out. You may be coming from the creationist 6000 year old earth-universe philosophy and I'm coming from the Shelock Holmes scientific detective philosophy, so what?
As our lord Jesus said : it's not what goes INTO a man that counts, it's what comes OUT of a man whereby he's judged. Thus it matters not where advanced life forms came from 540 million years ago, wheather from the sky ABOVE or the ocean BELOW, what GOOD THING comes out of YOU?
...an odd post.
Don't fight the math.
Old saying : engineers only defer to chemists, chemists only defer to physicists, physicists only defer to mathemticians, mathematicians only defer to GOD; and GOD was the original ENGINEER.
This thread contains a great deal of very good information on the Galileo affair, and I should like to add one more source. I recommend anyone interested in the issue relative to the ultimate triumph of heliocentrism read the excellent work, "The Sleepwalkers" by Arthur Koestler. In it, you will learn:
(1)Copernicus offered no proof for the heliocentic system. In fact, his "Revolutions" did little more than update the Ptolemaic tables to his day.
(2)The story of Galileo's conflict with the Church (a subject very well covered on this thread). Galileo provoked the confrontation and could not prove what he claimed, that the earth revolved around the sun.
(3)The proof for the heliocentric system came only with the work of Johann Kepler, which occurred about 80 years after the death of Copernicus.
"Sleepwalkers" is an excellent history of that period in science, and well worth the read.
As illustrated by this latest episode, the science establishment continues to succumb to its lamentable inclination to attack "infidels" with narrow-minded and ignorant zeal.
Weymouth New Testament Mark 7:15 There is nothing outside a man which entering him can make him unclean; but it is the things which come out of a man that make him unclean."
I’ve just finished reading David Lindley’s biography of Ludwig Boltzmann, called Boltzmann’s Atom. He’s quite fascinating, because while other prominent scientists of his day often had a myriad of interests, Boltzmann’s entire career spanning some 30 years was spent almost exclusively on understanding the properties of gases. He firmly believed that atoms were real (a highly contested idea largely until the work of Einstein on diffusion), and battled with Ernst Mach who took an ultra-realist philosophy towards science: theorising in general he frowned upon, and he doubly hated theoretical work with constructs that he felt you could never possibly see, even in principle. Boltzmann’s kinetic theory, relying on atoms which obeyed Newtonian mechanics, was a common Machian example of exactly how theoretical physics was heading down an incorrect path.Near the end of his life, however, Boltzmann also became interested in Darwin’s ideas, and life as a perfect example of thermodynamics. Now we commonly think about entropy when discussing almost all aspects of biological physics, so it was very prescient for Boltzmann to say, in 1900:
The overall struggle for existence of living beings is therefore not a struggle for raw materials—the raw materials of all organisms are available in excess in the air, water, and ground—nor for energy, which in the form of heat is plentiful in every body, but rather a struggle for entropy, which becomes available in the flow of energy from the hot sun to the cold earth.
Old language, same idea. Recent report on the sciencedaily website : the "fabber" 3D computer program copier that can fabricate any small item. No, it's not in your local Walmart yet but the principle/concept is THERE. Basic idea of xerox machine : moving light bar, chalcogenic glass, toner. Xerox machines were perfected only some 40-50 years ago, now common everywhere.
So, 2000 years ago the "fabber" was used to bang out 5000 fish and loaves of bread during the Sermon on the Mount. Combine the concept of a cat scan with its slice by slice pictures, reduced to the nanotech scale; plus vials of elements, molecules, gases as "toner"; then computer imprint the copy on a photolith substrate.
Real easy to understand TODAY, magic-awe to those living 2000 years ago on the mount. Arthur Clarke's Third Law : a sufficiently advanced technology will seem like MAGIC to a less advanced technology. "miracles" then are commonplace in medical technology now, get the point?
Now that may pop your awe-balloon but it doesn't cheapen our lord Jesus a bit. It shows that HE really was using alien technology to HELP people. In this hard nosed world of frowning people that depend on SCIENCE rather than religion to guide them, that comes as a pleasant fact : this technology Jesus evinced was used to FEED people, to HEAL people, to IMPROVE people.
So you ask : why isn't this advanced technology in MY hot little hands? That's the problem : IT IS! Ever read the news? Iran : kooks with nucs. Criminals/terrorists, drug thugs, children driving cars(40,000+/yr fatalities), a world being trashed with just CxHx energy alone...on and on.
Giving whole atomic bombs worth of energy to every idiot, criminal, child in the world = a world TRASHED just that much faster. The movie is CHAIN REACTION : naive young kid vs the REALITY of too much tech-power too quickly. WWIII looms large on the near horizon. Better a dry morsel and peace therein than plenty with STRIFE.
Thus it becomes obvious why the human race has to be exterminated as a disease, only those on the JESUS wavelength make it out of here alive. And it's FAITH and technology that does it....
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