Posted on 02/15/2007 6:28:31 PM PST by dbehsman
In late December 2006, the U.S. House Committee on Government Reform issued an unflattering report on the state of affairs at one of the nation's more cherished institutions.
One day students might study this report – damningly titled "Intolerance and the Politicization of Science at the Smithsonian" – as a turning point in the history of science. For the time being, however, the report and the scandal at the heart of it attract very close to no attention in the media, let alone in the nation's schools.
Says Dr. Richard Sternberg, the Galileo of the Smithsonian scandal, "The press has not wanted to touch [the report]. Things like this aren't supposed to happen."
What did happen to Dr. Sternberg is shocking even by Washington standards. The damage done to his career is real, irreversible and symptomatic of the lengths the science establishment will go to suppress challenges to the most vulnerable of its paradigms, namely Darwinism and its derivatives.
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Fundamental Darwinists are Stalinists at heart.
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OK… Lets try this - Do you believe there is a guiding force that created the universe?
I believe God created the universe. I mean the Christian God.
And I believe we can know Him through the study of His creation.
Interesting, a moral relativist. That's quite rare on this web site.
Hmmm, but wait, let me think this through. You're disapproving of other people's disapproval of other people. I'm not sure where that leaves you.
But he was lying ad majorem Dei gloriam, therefore it's ok.
Is this universe that you believe god created - guided?
You should do that research work yourself, try game theory. How many young, ingenious software engineers are out there right now, inventing games where there is BIG BUCKS involved if they get the right game on the market? There was a "dot com" competition of organisms going in the cambrian seas of 540M years ago. Some survived, most didn't. How many of the dot coms of 10, 20 years ago are still around today on the web?
Or consider the AIDS virus or anti-biotics, or even the ingenious marine worm. How much MONEY has been poured into AIDS research, and still it survives, mutating faster than killer-therapies. Life always finds a way...
Anti-biotics kill 99.999% of a given virus but 1 in a million has an immunity and thus becomes the progenitor of a whole new SUPERBUG strain. WE are the superbugs that have survived everything nature has thrown at us. Life always finds a way....
The marine worm : worms crawling around on the sea floor get EATEN. Thus they burrow into holes. But that also means that FOOD doesn't easily come their way. Thus one type of marine worms burrows a U shaped tube in the seafloor, as a venturi tube : small upstream opening and larger downstream opening.
Thus the CURRENT does all its "swimming effort" for it by diverting some water flow(carrying FOOD particles)thru the U tube. Thus it stays out of a fish's mouth and gets a "free lunch" all day long. Pretty smart, yes?
Did this worm first DESIGN the venturi tube, then put the job out for bid....that's what steyn would have you believe.
Look around at just the human race. Are they all identical clones, or 7 BILLION simultaneous experiments going on all at once? How many unique, novel things have YOU invented/discovered in your life?
Thus the "intelligent design" crowd has it backwards. Yes, GOD the original inventor did indeed MAKE the BIG BANG universe, would he not take DELIGHT at sea organisms doing the same experimentation in cambrian seas? By interfering (introducing complexity)HE obviates the FREEDOM of things to adapt to new environments.
And it's not just ancient cambrian seas we're talking about here. Putin is trying to return russia to a dictatorship. Thus all of russia is no smarter than he is, no FREEDOM for the russian people to develop/compete in world markets. By killing dissidents with polonium 210, imprisoning that yukos guy, he's killing capitalistic experimentation, the very thing that has made US, not the USSR, the sole remaining superpower in the world.
SUPERBUGS...think about it. Life always finds a way....
I use capital "G" in God, if you don't mind.
Who can know the mind of God? The universe works the way He built it, or "designed" it, if you like.
I think you're leading me into an Alamo-Girl type of discussion.
There are enough examples of cause and effect in scripture that make me believe the world works in a rational manner. I don't believe my faith is hostile to the world, as observed, using the scientific method.
But I don't view science as creating an alternate creation myth supporting an atheist worldview where we're out here on our own for our brief life-spans. Science just fills in the details sketched in the broad brush of scripture.
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Again… And this is not complicated. Is this universe that you believe God created - guided?
Game Theory does *not* support your claim in post #47.
Strike Two.
I've already said as much as I understand.
Scripture repeatedly tells us that God intervenes as He sees fit.
I don't take that to mean that he "guides" every gluon to its proper place.
"Yes, HE COULD have done the adam and eve number at the cambrian explosion/window as Steyn suggests, but where did seth and cain's WIVES come from?"
Great question!
At least several answers/possibilites come to my mind: but ultimately, it stands to reason that God simply made them! Just as He made Adam and Eve. God described how He made the first man and woman, then the Bible tells us that once Cain killed his brother Abel, Cain was banished and sent out of the Garden of Eden to dwell "wandering" with "other people". Read Genesis chap. 5.
That could only mean God made others that He simply didn't mention in the Bible other than they were just made by God (Gen. 5-1). I also suspect He made others on other worlds. If He's capable of making angels, I'm certain He's capable of making wives for seth and cain, aliens and pretty much whatever He wanted to make!!! And I suspect God being God, He could well have decided not to tell us ALL the details, hoping we could figure out how to connect a few dots for ourselves with a little faith!
I'm still trying to figure out why Adam lived to be 900+ years old, and yet during the middle ages, men only lived to be 30-40 years old!
It also stands to reason that we may (or may not) know the whys and hows later on sometime. He's God.
He gets to make the rules.
Sounds kooky, but no less kooky than a big accidental bang that produced life out of chaos, where salamanders eventually somehow morphed into crawly thingys that took to land, then a big accidental rock killed off the dinosaurs, and little mammals sprang out of THAT chaos, and eventually monkeys morphed into US!
In the end though, I agree with you: evolution can certainly coexist with a Creator, He set evolution in motion and let it go. I don't know that He's behind every bolt of lightening although He could well be, being God and all! In fact if you think about it, He set all that in motion trillions of years ago without much effort. It only took Him a week to create all that we know!
Grains of sands on a beach aren't worth counting to Him!
But I do believe He's telling the truth about Jesus, He has no reason not to tell us the truth!
I never said, “he ‘guides’ every gluon to its proper place”. In fact, I don’t know anyone that would say that… Look, do you believe that your intelligence ultimately comes from God for a purpose?
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10,000 Clergy Sign Letter Backing Evolution
Posted by xzins to Flo Nightengale; P-Marlowe
On 02/17/2007 5:10:32 AM PST · 41 of 41
Mankind was created on the 6th day. Adam (eth ha Adam) was formed on the 8th day. Cain took a wife from the 6th day creation. Those were the "other people" he wandered among. Seth had to take a wife from his family line (cousins, etc) because the line to Jesus had to be pure.
The "Adamic" race lived long because they had a lot to do. They were to teach others about God. Since then humans have de-volved, not evolved.
As you, I don't believe monkeys morphed into humans. I do see a form of evolution in each species, which God gave us in order to protect each species so they can adapt to changes - but they do not change from one thing into another.
Yes, He told us the truth about Jesus and about all things in the Bible.
Hate to burst everybody's bubble, but if you accept Einstein's Theory of General Relativity, then you have accepted that neither geocentricity nor heliocentricity can be proven and are merely two equivalent CS that can be used interchangeably.
I hope so. Seems like a lot of fooling around otherwise.
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