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Coin Shows Cleopatra's Ugly Truth
BBC ^ | 2-14-2007

Posted on 02/14/2007 8:59:15 AM PST by blam

Coin shows Cleopatra's ugly truth

The images of Antony and Cleopatra are less than flattering

Antony and Cleopatra, one of history's most romantic couples, were not the great beauties that Hollywood would have us believe, academics have said. A study of a 2,000-year-old silver coin found the Egyptian queen, famously portrayed by Elizabeth Taylor, had a pointed chin, thin lips and sharp nose.

Her Roman lover, played by Richard Burton, had bulging eyes, thick neck and a hook nose.

The tiny coin was studied by experts at Newcastle University.

The size of a modern 5p piece (18mm or 0.7in), the artefact from 32BC was in a collection belonging to the Society of Antiquaries of Newcastle, which is being researched in preparation for the opening of a new Great North Museum.

Clare Pickersgill, the university's assistant director of archaeological museums, said: "The popular image we have of Cleopatra is that of a beautiful queen who was adored by Roman politicians and generals.

"Recent research would seem to disagree with this portrayal, however."

The university's director of archaeological museums, Lindsay Allason-Jones, said: "The image on the coin is far from being that of Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton.

"Roman writers tell us that Cleopatra was intelligent and charismatic, and that she had a seductive voice but, tellingly, they do not mention her beauty.

The Hollywood couple may have perpetrated a Hollywood myth

"The image of Cleopatra as a beautiful seductress is a more recent image."

The silver denarius coin would have been issued by the mint of Mark Antony.

On one side is the head of Mark Antony, bearing the caption "Antoni Armenia devicta" meaning "For Antony, Armenia having been vanquished".

Cleopatra appears on the reverse of the coin with the inscription "Cleopatra Reginae regum filiorumque regum", meaning "For Cleopatra, Queen of kings and of the children of kings".

The university hopes more forgotten treasures will come to light before the Great North Museum opens in 2009.

The Roman coin is on display in Newcastle University's Shefton Museum from 14 February.


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KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; anthiny; antony; antonyandcleopatra; cleopatra; cleopatravii; coin; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; truth
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To: blam

A more accurate representation of Cleopatra Selene Philopator (from WIKI)

81 posted on 02/14/2007 2:10:33 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: SunkenCiv

lol


82 posted on 02/14/2007 2:10:58 PM PST by mcar
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To: blam; kiki04; Kolokotronis; MarMema; kosta50; wrathof59; katnip; FormerLib; ezfindit; Polycarp1; ...

Greek ping


83 posted on 02/14/2007 2:11:14 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: blam
The popular image we have of Cleopatra is that of a beautiful queen

Evolving standards of beauty, no doubt. Plus, back then nobody dissed the queen!

84 posted on 02/14/2007 2:15:14 PM PST by Don Carlos (Posting tasteless comments since 02/03/2002)
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To: eleni121

Better looking than the coin, but still, no cigar.


85 posted on 02/14/2007 2:48:47 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: P.O.E.

LOL!!


86 posted on 02/14/2007 2:50:45 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: blam

Victor Davis Hanson has said he believes the Cleo is ugly to be Roman propaganda.


87 posted on 02/14/2007 2:54:23 PM PST by common denominator
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To: TexasRepublic
Better looking than the coin, but still, no cigar.



Obviously.

THE closest I've seen to realistic images of the ancients are the pics at Pompeii (there may be others)Our standards of what is beautiful are different...I guess. Although I wonder about our standards...?
88 posted on 02/14/2007 2:58:38 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: blam
Bathsheba in Michalangelo's painting wouldn't win any beauty contest by modern standards.

It's possible that the Cleopatra on the coin is a few decades older than the 19 year old beauty queen fixed in our minds.

Should Reagan every appear on currency, it won't be the handsome young actor but that of a 70+ year old man.

89 posted on 02/14/2007 3:16:53 PM PST by fso301
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To: reagan_fanatic
Re: Post #32

HYSTERICAL!!!!!

ROFLMAO!

90 posted on 02/14/2007 3:24:45 PM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: skepsel
I heard the nickname was "The Gaper" and it was 100 Romans. I sh*t you not, I ain't making it up!
91 posted on 02/14/2007 3:49:45 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: massgopguy
Nubian slaves don't have smallpox vaccination scars, either.
92 posted on 02/14/2007 3:50:46 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

probably had big boobies too


93 posted on 02/14/2007 3:53:04 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Mila

Yes, you're right, it looks a lot like Joey Buttafuoco. I can't believe that you remembered how to spell his name, because I didn't.


94 posted on 02/14/2007 3:59:00 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

" I can't believe that you remembered how to spell his name, because I didn't."

Don't feel bad, I looked it up. I didn't want to make any embarrassing mistakes in the spelling:)


95 posted on 02/14/2007 4:09:56 PM PST by Mila (i)
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To: common denominator
Plutarch said this about her:

'For Rome, who had never condescended to fear any nation or people, did in her time fear two human beings; one was Hannibal, and the other was a woman (ie Cleopatra).'
96 posted on 02/14/2007 4:15:51 PM PST by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia; Mila

And remember, Nefertiti means "the beautiful one has come", and accurate name in this case.


97 posted on 02/14/2007 4:29:21 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: SoCal Pubbie
She was probably pretty good in the sack, too

With a sack over her head.

98 posted on 02/14/2007 4:34:46 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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To: colorado tanker

She was a great orator. So to speak.


99 posted on 02/14/2007 4:36:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Wednesday, February 14, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TexasRepublic

"Better looking but no cigar."

Yes, but imagine her with a seductive smile and a twinkle in her eye. Remember, much portaiture was very serious with the mouth closed. Actually, I didn't think that the sculpture of Anthony were so bad. Better looking than the older Ceasar. Also I think she looked as good as Queen Elizabeth, who had her admireers.


100 posted on 02/14/2007 4:38:04 PM PST by gleeaikin
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