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Do Vanity Candidates Really Have a Chance? (Michael Medved)
Michael Medved's Townhall Blog ^ | February 8, 2007 | Michael Medved

Posted on 02/10/2007 2:16:42 PM PST by EveningStar

Two days ago, in blogging about the abortion records of the serious GOP Presidential prospects (McCain, Giuliani, Romney), I provoked a great deal of anger by writing off the other current contenders (Huckabee, Brownback, Tancredo, Ron Paul, Gilmore, Thompson, Duncan Hunter) as "lesser" candidates who stand no realistic chance of winning primaries or grabbing the nomination. No matter how much you may admire these people, their candidacies are irrelevant – more a bid for attention, or a preparation for future races, than a realistic bid for power...

When, in the last 60 years of Presidential politics, did any obscure underdog manage to defy the odds and win the nomination of the Republican Party?...

(Excerpt) Read more at michaelmedved.townhall.com ...


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To: jmc813
Medved really doesn't have any conservative principles.

Well, we'll see about that. I must say, though, his pandering to the Republican left lately has me more than a little worried.
281 posted on 02/10/2007 11:37:47 PM PST by Antoninus ( Who is Duncan Hunter? Find out....www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Antoninus
medved and hewitt are lockstep partisans what's good for the party, the party must regain power, the party... It just gets old I want a real conservative who is going to represent ME for once. McGuliromney isn't. If nothing else Duncan Hunter will influence these meatheads in a debate.
282 posted on 02/10/2007 11:53:10 PM PST by miliantnutcase ("If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." -ichabod1)
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To: Antoninus

Medved is the Grima Wormtongue of the conservative world.

Whispering words of defeat into your ear, trying to wear down your will to back the conservative of your choice.


283 posted on 02/11/2007 12:12:48 AM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: Torie; AmishDude

Some of Reagan's actual policies on free trade (but then why let facts get in the way of a good story?):

http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.asp?control=489&sortorder=articledate

The administration has thus far:

* Forced Japan to accept restraints on auto exports;
* Tightened considerably the quotas on imported sugar;
* Negotiated to increase the restrictiveness of the Multi­fiber Arrangement governing trade in textiles and apparel;
* Required 18 countries, including Brazil, Spain, South
* Korea, Japan, Mexico, South Africa, Finland, Australia, and the European Community, to accept "voluntary re­straint agreements" that reduce their steel imports to the United States;
* Imposed a 45% duty on Japanese motorcycles for the ben­efit of Harley Davidson, which admitted that superior
* Japanese management was the cause of its problems;
* Raised tariffs on Canadian lumber and cedar shingles;
* Forced the Japanese into an agreement to control the price of computer memory chips;
* Removed third-world countries on several occasions from the duty-free import program for developing nations;
* Pressed Japan to force its automakers to buy more Ameri­can-made parts;
* Demanded that Taiwan, West Germany, Japan, and Switzerland restrain their exports of machine tools;
* Accused the Japanese of dumping roller bearings on grounds that the price did not rise to cover a fall in the value of the yen;
* Accused the Japanese of dumping forklift trucks and color picture tubes;
* Extended quotas on imported clothes pins;
* Failed to ask Congress to end the ban on the export of Alaskan oil and timber cut from federal lands;
* Redefined dumping so domestic firms can more easily charge foreign competitors with unfair trade practices;
* Beefed-up the Export-Import Bank, an institution dedicated to distorting the American economy at the ex­pense of the American people in order to artificially pro­mote exports of eight large corporations.


284 posted on 02/11/2007 12:37:35 AM PST by Pelham (California, Mexico's HMO)
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To: AmishDude
Although I can't prove it I strongly suspect that the '04 was rigged in favor of Kerry. The Iowa Caucus has a myriad of arcane rules and procedures. The selection process is fairly complex. In theory it is even possible to have more than one winner.

I know that Dean had stumbled a bit but he had been lapping the field for so long he still had a somewhat of a chance. Kerry, by contrast, had fallen so far behind that he actually had to mortgage Teresa's home for cash. The most telling factor is that Kerry not only pulled off a "surprise" victory, but that the guy in second place (Edwards) still received more votes than the rest of the field combined.

The fact that Kerry and Edwards were both able to make up that much ground in such short time is very suspicious.

285 posted on 02/11/2007 12:42:50 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Pelham

Love your tagline : "California, Mexico's HMO.". ;>P


286 posted on 02/11/2007 12:53:06 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Antoninus

I notice you ignored the point about historical realities.


287 posted on 02/11/2007 5:56:20 AM PST by soccermom
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To: Zack Nguyen
I think this is a bad thing. Our primaries are so frontloaded that, frankly, there is no chance for a guerilla campaign to capture the nomination behind the backs of the establishment. The primary system was designed to ensure that only Washington, corporate-approved candidates could win, because of the upfront cash requirement of the primary campaigns.

You hit all the points I was going to make, far more articulately. :-) One of the advantages of the GOP method is that it can get strength, unity, and organization behind a weak candidancy, but the downside is that we don't get the super-underdog like Clinton.

288 posted on 02/11/2007 7:22:09 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Antoninus

Some of us would be happy to vote for Hunter or any other conservative, however ripping fellow Republicans only hurts your cause.

Pray for W and Our Troops


289 posted on 02/11/2007 7:29:31 AM PST by bray (Redeploy our Troops to Tehran)
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To: TonyRo76

I consider Reagan to be a "pragmatic" president. I think any successful politician has to be pragmatic.


290 posted on 02/11/2007 8:14:36 AM PST by soccermom
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To: Torie
What do you think Duncan Hunter's IQ is? Remember, he is a lawyer, so don't get nasty.

:) I'm sure he's a healthy 110. I guess you have to be exposed to supply and demand curves and competitive advantage to really embrace the concept.

The Chomsky hierarchy is often taught in fundamental computer science courses as it confers insight into the various types of formal languages.

Given what this says, I think it might be tacked onto the introduction of some textbooks.

has generated interest among mathematicians, particularly combinatorialists.

This is a lie. I know. These are my peeps and nobody discusses this. Nobody. Anywhere. At all. It is possible that it is a single example of a partially ordered set, but no mathematician that I have ever heard discusses anything related to Chomsky unless they're discussing one of his voluminous political tracts (seriously, does he have an unexpressed thought?)

A number of arguments in evolutionary psychology are derived from his research results."

Assuming "evolutionary psychology" has more rigor than "pulled from my posterior," if it even exists.

291 posted on 02/11/2007 8:29:31 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: nopardons

I don't oppose Hunter and I think he's smarter than his FR boosters. If he's running for Veep, he's doing a good job. He emphasizes his Reaganite beliefs and gets a following, he can make the case that he's necessary for, say, Rudy.


292 posted on 02/11/2007 8:36:37 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
I don't know about McCain. I've figured out many aspects of his personality, but I can't believe, having been anointed by the media as the frontrunner, that he doesn't want it.

The first thing about McCain is that he believes in his moral rightness. He hates the fact that he was dragged into the Keating 5 scandal (he was far less involved than the other 4, all Dems, he was brought in to make it a bipartisan scandal). Thus, he was on a crusade to make sure that no politician was ever subject to the same thing that he did.

The second thing is that he's so eager to be the compromiser. Whenever there's a conflict (gang of 14) he's always eager to play the arbiter.

293 posted on 02/11/2007 8:49:29 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Pelham
Reagan Embraced Free Trade and Immigration by Daniel Griswold

Like most post-war presidents, Reagan championed free trade while selectively deviating from it. Critics of trade note correctly that Reagan negotiated "voluntary" import quotas for steel and Japanese cars and imposed Section 201 tariffs on imported motorcycles to protect Harley-Davidson. All true. But those were the exceptions and not the rule. They were tactical retreats designed to defuse rising protectionists pressures in Congress.

294 posted on 02/11/2007 8:57:03 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: Gondring

Thank you. While I do not care for Pat Buchanan, what we need is an insurgent candidacy that, somehow, bucks the system and wins. Then it will be changed forever.


295 posted on 02/11/2007 9:01:07 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: jmc813

I think the idea of limited government is in the public debate. We're just losing that debate. I'm not sure its worth ceding 4 years of government control to make a rhetorical point.


296 posted on 02/11/2007 10:04:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Recognition of one's ignorance is the beginning of wisdom.)
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To: jmc813
When was the last time a mayor, woman or black won the Presidency?

Yup. The odds are against them too. The odds favor a Protestant, white, male, governor of a southern state.

297 posted on 02/11/2007 2:25:42 PM PST by wireman
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To: Pelham; AmishDude

Fair point, no doubt. Sometimes, even those who know better, feel the need to throw some bones to the wolves chasing the sleigh, to deflect them from doing real damage.


298 posted on 02/11/2007 2:51:34 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: AmishDude; Pelham
And Bush2 went native with steel. Which goes to show how truly dead a letter protectionism is. That had to be abandoned in a hurry as the trade courts closed in for the kill, and trade retaliation was in the offing. The US is no longer in a position, to dictate trade terms to anybody of importance. The whole system is joined at the hip, monetarily, and in every other way. That genie is never going to be put back in the bottle again. All that is left is for some demagogic politicians to give the cause some lip service, as they pander for votes.
299 posted on 02/11/2007 2:55:35 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: jmc813

I don't recall ever saying I supported Giuliani, but you are welcome to point where I did say such a thing. Perhaps I am losing my memory, and I'd certainly want to know about that. I'm just observing the field and learning about the candidates at this point.

Third Reich? I'm not going to take you seriously after that comment unless you care to back it up with specifics.

If what you say is true, I might still support him, depends on who he's running against. I'm not worried that he will get my arsenal away from me.


300 posted on 02/11/2007 4:17:21 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Boycott all Leftist Media, ignore them and they will go away...)
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