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The Hydrogen Hoax
The New Atlantis.com ^ | February 8, 2007 | by Robert Zubrin

Posted on 02/08/2007 12:58:09 PM PST by aculeus

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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
There is no easy solution to the energy problem.

Nukes.

21 posted on 02/08/2007 1:22:43 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: aculeus

ALL LIES! We don't have hydrogen because of Bush & Cheney! Ok, I'm kidding. Interesteing science stuff


22 posted on 02/08/2007 1:23:06 PM PST by StoneColdTaxHater
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

LOL. Yeppers.


23 posted on 02/08/2007 1:24:02 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: curiosity

Ethanol is a great fuel. It's current downfall is how it is made.

No matter how it is made, hydrogen is a bugger to store and transport.


24 posted on 02/08/2007 1:24:34 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Still doesn't give us a good supply of liquid fuel.


25 posted on 02/08/2007 1:26:36 PM PST by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Well, yeah - that would solve the problem, all at once, like.


26 posted on 02/08/2007 1:26:44 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: aculeus

later bump


27 posted on 02/08/2007 1:28:29 PM PST by Edgerunner (Better RED state than DEAD state)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

ANS shoul just about blow away anything off the "news" tonight..........ABCNNBCBSFOX.......


28 posted on 02/08/2007 1:30:01 PM PST by Red Badger (Rachel Carson is responsible for more deaths than Adolf Hitler...............)
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To: patton

I didn't mean it in the obvious way! ;)


29 posted on 02/08/2007 1:31:43 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
There is no easy solution to the energy problem.

Perhaps none of these is THE solution. But I can think of at least 5 energy sources which are nowhere near fully exploited.:
(1) Oil (of which there is absolutely no shortage, merely a shortage of refining facilities to meet demand)
(2) Nuclear Power, the potential of which has only just begun to be realized.
(3) Coal
(4) Hydroelectric Generation (Rivers, Tides, Local Streams)
(5) Natural Gas, most of which is now wasted, or perhaps better said, allowed to escape, or is burned off.

30 posted on 02/08/2007 1:34:25 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Biden, Biden, he's my man, if anyone says it, he soon can!)
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To: aculeus

Actually, Bush & co. have been in contact with a time traveler from the future who has explained to them how it and other things can easily and cheaply be done. Believe that? Good as globle warming I hear. Oh, he explained that too. Says, algorejr is a hopeless nut.


31 posted on 02/08/2007 1:35:57 PM PST by Waco
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To: dangerdoc

Nuke powered electrolysis with nuke powered compression.

I am no hydrogen advocate, but I want to know as much as I can.


32 posted on 02/08/2007 1:40:03 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance ("Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors." GOHUNTER08!)
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To: curiosity

He states that a kilogram of hydrogen has as much energy as a gallon of gasoline. So he should say that two and a half pounds of hydrogen has as much energy as seven pounds of gasoline. Let's compare lbs. to lbs. --not kilograms to gallons.

I would not rush out and buy GM stock based on all the money they've poured down the hydrogen hole but this article is awfully jumpy and not so well-argued.


33 posted on 02/08/2007 1:40:15 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Don't worry, I got it. Although the pun was funny.


34 posted on 02/08/2007 1:41:58 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: patton
He neglected to mention that the largest contributor to green house gasses is - water vapor, the only output of an engine that burns hydrogen.

Water vapor is present in the atmosphere in per cent levels, not the ppm of CO2. Adding any appreciable water vapor to the atmosphere by burning hydrogen would be quite a trick!

35 posted on 02/08/2007 1:42:24 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: aculeus
Hydrogen, therefore, is not a source of energy. It simply is a carrier of energy.

Yeah, but if we're to get rid of gasoline, an energy carrier the one thing we really need. We already have ways of generating large amounts of relatively cheap energy (fission). We don't have good ways of running cars with it, however. Hydrogen is not as good as gasoline, true, but it has the potential for much denser energy storage than chemical batteries.

Ethanol is a more practical fuel for vehicles than hydrogen is right now, but I think the problems with hydrogen are more likely to yield to technological advances. Give it ten years of serious effort, then we'll see.

36 posted on 02/08/2007 1:43:48 PM PST by Physicist
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To: patton

;)


37 posted on 02/08/2007 1:43:55 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Apathy is one of the most dangerous ideologies in existence!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Can you hold a pound of pure hydrogen in your hands? In a tea cup?

Bad metric.


38 posted on 02/08/2007 1:44:03 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Don't forget Geo-Thermal.


39 posted on 02/08/2007 1:44:18 PM PST by killermosquito (Buffalo (and eventually France) is what you get when liberalism runs its course.)
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To: martin_fierro

lol & a bump


40 posted on 02/08/2007 1:45:20 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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