Posted on 02/08/2007 11:30:41 AM PST by PhiKapMom
Rudy Giuliani will prevent a conservative crack-up.
Today, after very little effort, Giuliani is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination. Dick Morris is predicting a Giuliani vs. Clinton race in 2008. Yet some conservatives are dubious of the man who cleaned up New York, returned it to a vigor unimaginable from the 1960s through the 1980s, and then led New York and the country heroically through 9/11. Well, one knows a politician by the company he keeps, and Giuliani has around him the financial people who created the libertarian-conservative Manhattan Institute. He relied heavily on the Institute's policies while governing New York. He will rely on libertarian-conservative policy makers in his race for the White House and once there.
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Good one. Lets not talk about facts, lets just say whatever we want. And the mindless trashing of a great President marches on.
PhiKapMom and areafiftyone, I have 20 years of experience in direct response. It seems someone has repeatedly asked to be added to your ping list but that is not being done. You might want to make sure you don't have a bug in the software you are using to maintain the ping list, and that your data entry people are properly trained. Repeated requests typically indicate either or both problems may be present.
I'm so excited. Rudy will beat the Black Crusty Pants Suit off of Hillary.
The debates will be something to watch.
He's a natural and she's a phoney.
I am going to send him money and volunteer my time to his campaign.
Hey, guys, the good folks who are maintaining the Rudy ping list apparently are having problems. Baubau has asked repeatedly over the last few days to be added to that list. Spiff, I know you have a lot of experience in political organization, perhaps you could give the Rudy ping list people some pointers to make sure someone gets added on the first request and doesn't have to ask repeatedly to be on the list.
Fair enough, Peach. I apologize.
But why do the pro-Rudy people constantly refer to the conservatives here in such belittling terms, and say how glad they are that us social conservatives are finally going to be kicked out of the GOP?
It's like they like Rudy more for what he represents, i.e., clearing social conservatives out of the GOP, as Arnold is doing in California, than what his positions are.
I would LIKE to be enthusiastic about the GOP's chances in '08. I've been a life-long Pubblie, starting when I was 13 yrs. old and campaigned door to door in Newport Beach/Costa Mesa for John Schmitz, and I served two terms as an elected precinct person, so...if there really IS something to favor about Rudy (BESIDES his electability vis a vis Hitliary!!) I would like to read it.
But so far, most of what I read talks about his polling numbers, and how he's really not as bad as his past positions seem to indicate.
THAT sort of stuff does not get the base excited, and believe me, I know the base...I AM the base, at least here in my small southern Oregon county, where I have made countless calls throughout the years to people on behalf of Pubbie candidates and have walked countless precincts passing out flyers for numerous campaigns and candidates.
All I was saying is, if all y'all really support Rudy for reasons OTHER than "thank God the whole-loafer, dragging-down-the-party Social Conservatives will be kicked out or rendered moot," let's discuss them with cordiality and respect.
I do remember Rudy from his days as mayor, by the way, and he was great...I just know he is a liberal in ways that disturb us social conservatives.
Ed
Am I the only one getting sick of Rudy being referred to as a "libertarian"? Libertarians find his gun-grabbing tendencies repulsive.
Boy, you don't understand the l;ectorate at all. I meet many people ... many women who are law and order, personal reponsibility but chose the Dims because they don't share the same ideas as the Religious Right.
They'll join.
Interesting koan, Michigander, I'm not sure what it means, though!
Ed
My god no wonder people don't want to come on these threads! Now you are just being cruel.
I would suggest you check out the polling numbers regarding opposition to the war among Dems and left-leaning independents, and explain to us how Rudy will make headway into that sector with a pro-war stance.
That's not true. The people of NY were fed up with crime, stepping over homeless people, people defecating in the streets, window washers at every street corner, welfare fraud.
Daily life in NY was abyssmal.
When Dinkins was mayor, Crown Hgts. riots took place. The police were not allowed to go in there to stop it.
Rudy is tough and that's what we need right now.
GO RUDY
Why would you choose the more liberal, anti-gun Rudy over the definitely pro-gun Richardson, if the choice is only between those two?
Ed
The people I'm talking about are not necessisarily anti-war.
I'm trying to help. Baubau has asked repeatedly to be added to the Rudy ping list. I can't imagine why anyone would need to do that unless there was a problem in maintaining the list, so I brought it to your attention - I deal with those kind of problems on a daily business in my line of work.
It's not like anyone would repeatedly ask to be added to the ping list, even though they are already on it, to make it seem like more people want to be added to the list than actually is the case.
baubau is on the list and has been for some while.
Stop trying to stir it up.
Then why does baubau keep asking to be added to the ping list? Repeatedly over several days?
BauBau is on the list and has been since yesterday. But maybe not everyone has the same list as I do. We are trying to coordinate.
Probably didn't realize that he/she was on it.
That's why I was raising the issue. Repeated requests for customer service are often indicative of such underlying issues.
I guess because when the first few Rudy articles started coming out and a few of us talked about what great leadership Rudy showed in NYC during his term as Mayor and in the days after 9/11 and we were visciously attacked that we've become overly sensitive and now when people even mention that they aren't sure about Rudy, we're reluctant to be drawn into convesation about him and we are snappish. I apologize for my role in that.
My family calls me to the right of Attila the Hun and I think I'm quite socially conservative, but I have to say, since 1980, what strides have we made toward even dramatically reducing abortion, let alone abolishing it?
Conservatives used to wish for the states to be given the power to determine a lot of policy and perhaps most especially social policy. That seems to have changed, although I'm not sure if the states just gave up or if Republican opinion about that changed.
Regardless, it is the states who are making the most strides with regard to policy surrounding social issues. My current state, SC, is passing legislation which will require a woman to obtain an ultrasound and counseling prior to an abortion. This has proven in other states to dramatically reduce the number of performed abortions because the new technology has improved so much in the last decade that women can finally see, it's not a blob.
Women my age are becoming grandmothers for the first time and are seeing their daughter's ultrasounds and realizing just how wrong they've been all these years. They may not admit it out loud, although I've heard a few admit it, but inside, hearts and minds are changing.
But those hearts will harden again if we have a staunch conservative in the WH who talks about getting rid of Roe v. Wade. That's just human nature and after years of conditioning by the feminists, this issue needs to be handled one heart at a time, not with one "mean spirited" Republican "forcing" women into backroom alleys, etc. You know all the arguments.
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