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New York Sun ^ | 8 Feb 07 | R. Emmett Tyyrell, Jr.

Posted on 02/08/2007 5:26:22 AM PST by rellimpank

Rudy Giuliani's announcement that he will seek the Republican presidential nomination brings to my mind a book I wrote in the early 1990s, "The Conservative Crack-Up." When I wrote the book, Ronald Reagan's successor, President George H. W. Bush, was ignoring many of the constituent ingredients of the Reagan Revolution, for instance, tax cuts. The various factions of the conservative coalition were disgruntled and threatening to take a walk. Once again liberal pundits were diagnosing the conservative movement as moribund.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: electionpresidential; giuliani
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To: beezdotcom
I think the biggest obstacle to Rudy's campaign is the huge impact the next POTUS will likely have on the Supreme Court. If it wasn't for that, I think you could make a strong case that Rudy's liberal views on social issues could be sufficiently countered by conservatives in Congress.

Spot on. If not for my concerns about SCOTUS, I would be a 100% Rudy supporter. Right now I'm about 85% because there are no other viable options.

41 posted on 02/08/2007 7:07:13 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: beezdotcom

I think as a lawyer who went after the mob, Rudy respects the law. He's said that he will appoint strict constructionists and that Alito and Roberts are his dream judges.

It's a crapshoot; with Reagan we got 2 crummy Supreme Court judges.


42 posted on 02/08/2007 7:08:14 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: rellimpank

I can not trust anyone from NYC. They have a different view of what is good for the country than most of us in fly over country. As long as the Wall Street Crowd is making money and can can live in their guarded high rises and summer in the Hamptons they are happy NYC Republicans. Many of us see what they view as culture and the good life completely different. I have never met anyone from Rudiville that didn't think that the rest of the US were from Hicksville and needed changing to their way. For one I don't want to be changed for my own good. Just because he is the darling of Wall Street doesn't make him right for the country. Am I incorrect or have I noticed a hormonal influence in the support for Rudi.


43 posted on 02/08/2007 7:08:34 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Nobles Oblige, BS, Well take care of it ourselves!)
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To: Wolfie
I kind of like the Rudy thing. Time enough still to wonder who the First Lady would be.

The way he likes to dress up as a woman, Rudy could be both president and first lady.

44 posted on 02/08/2007 7:11:10 AM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: ken5050

I feel the same way about your choice:
"And if you, and many others like you, do indeed act that way, then you and I together, my friend, will both prove the maxim that in a democracy citizens elect the government they deserve."

A Giuliani presidency will be just as bad as a Clinton presidency. He has no more integrity, honesty or love of the Constitution than the hildabeast. We are going to get whacked by the terrorists either way. At least with a Clinton presidency gunowners will know from the get-go that they are in the sights of the president and will not trust her. Either way, it's gonna come to shooting, and I would rather more than less average citizens be armed when it starts. The only way we will stop the terrorists will be to follow the old Israeli model. Everyone armed, and isolate the muslims.


45 posted on 02/08/2007 7:11:20 AM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: Peach
It's a crapshoot; with Reagan we got 2 crummy Supreme Court judges.

O'Connor was clearly a case of making a priority of nominating a woman. She had no business on the Court -- there were far better candidates -- but it was "stylish".

Kennedy was nominated because of the defeat of Bork and the discovery that Ginsberg was a pot-smoker. He was considered at the time to be a weak choice and too moderate, but Reagan was worn out after Iran-Contra and the Bork defeat.

GWB showed how it is done, although the Miers pick was another disastrous attempt to be "stylish". Fortunately, no harm was done.

Just to be clear, I'm not against women in high places who are clearly qualified. For example, I thought more highly of Maggie Thatcher than Reagan.

46 posted on 02/08/2007 7:15:25 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Good post. And so true about the various appointments.


47 posted on 02/08/2007 7:23:38 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: ken5050

While I appreciate your passionate support for Rudy being centered around the WOT, I don't think you give enough credit to Hunter who has proven with a strong voting record that he "gets" the WOT.

As to Rudy on guns, I would recommend this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1780940/posts where JimRob exposes Rudy for the unacceptable social liberal he is and not just on guns.

Tyrell's conservative bona fides are questionable given his inability to smell out that skunk in the wood pile, David Brock.


48 posted on 02/08/2007 7:33:22 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: TommyDale
That was then, this is now. Social, religious and gun-owning conservatives are not going to support Giuliani. They will not be persuaded to vote for a gun-grabbing abortionist, period.

As a social, religious and gun-owning conservative myself, there is not an alternative at this point that can beat Hillary. What do you think is going to happen with those issues if she's elected? I'm supporting Rudy! I shudder to think what would happen to this country if she manages to win the election.

49 posted on 02/08/2007 7:43:46 AM PST by rirepublican
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To: rellimpank

I think it will be Giuliani vs. Hillary. Take your pick - the lesser of two evils. Again.


50 posted on 02/08/2007 8:13:19 AM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: T-Bird45

Is that the post where some jumped all over a freeper for questioning whether children, the mentally ill and felons should have any restrictions on their gun rights? All that thread showed me was how completely out of the mainstream a lot of the anti-Rudyites really are.


51 posted on 02/08/2007 8:14:27 AM PST by bamabaseballmom
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To: Wolfie

LOL


52 posted on 02/08/2007 8:50:44 AM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: TommyDale
That was then, this is now. Social, religious and gun-owning conservatives are not going to support Giuliani. They will not be persuaded to vote for a gun-grabbing abortionist, period.

I know I won't be. And I'm a moderate in my circles. The otherwise reliably conservative Republican voters that I know simply won't support Rudy in a primary or a general election.

Which is why his nomination would be a disaster for the GOP.

But hey, they don't call them the "Stupid Party" for nothing...
53 posted on 02/08/2007 8:54:45 AM PST by Antoninus ( Who is Duncan Hunter? Find out....www.gohunter08.com)
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To: ken5050

I agree with you.

I would also like Conservatives to be open minded if a National candidate Giuliani takes a different stand than the local Mayor Giuliani of the ultra-left NY City did.

One thing I know of Giuliani - you can take him at his word. He does not say things for political gain and do something else.


54 posted on 02/08/2007 9:03:29 AM PST by dervish (Rachel weeps for her children, she refuses to be consoled. Shalit, Goldwasser, Regev)
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To: bamabaseballmom
All that thread showed me was how completely out of the mainstream a lot of the anti-Rudyites really are.

Some of that discussion is continuing in that thread today but not quite on that extreme level. Using the extremists as the prime example of those against Rudy does not add to the tenor of the discussion which really should be formed around accepting dual realities that Rudy is generally unacceptable to social conservatives while being a lead horse in polls when compared to Hillary which the social conservatives absolutely abhor.

55 posted on 02/08/2007 9:54:42 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: T-Bird45

I have no problem with Hunter..it's just that he has zero name recognition..and he can't raise enough $$$$$$ to get it nationally.


56 posted on 02/08/2007 10:37:13 AM PST by ken5050
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To: rirepublican

Your key words were "at this point". You are either already drinking the Kool-Aid, or you must not think this next 12 months will serve any purpose for campaigning.


57 posted on 02/08/2007 11:07:42 AM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: ken5050

We have well over a year to sift through candidates. Just because two or three are leading now doesn't mean they will even be in the race a year from now. I am not going to commit to anything or anyone right now.


58 posted on 02/08/2007 11:10:16 AM PST by TommyDale (Who do you trust? An ex-mayor? Or the ranking member of the House Committee on Armed Services?)
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To: TommyDale

That works...heck, it's even possible that I could end up NOT supporting Rudy. My only point was that hopefully, you and others will be willing to listen while Rudy tries to win your votes. No more, no less..


59 posted on 02/08/2007 11:12:57 AM PST by ken5050
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To: wolfcreek
Who said anything about *sitting out*? I'll be voting for Duncan Hunter, if provided the chance.

I'll probably be supporting Hunter, as well. He appears to be closer to my views than any other candidate.

We're certainly free to support whomever we like in the primaries.

That said, if Duncan Hunter doesn't win the nomination and Rudy Giuliani does, I'll lend my support to Rudy...happily.

Please don't ask what I'll do if John McCain wins the nomination, though...

60 posted on 02/08/2007 11:20:43 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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