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Motorists Prove Red-Light Cameras Don't Work
News Net 5 ^ | February 1, 2007

Posted on 02/05/2007 6:19:33 PM PST by JTN

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1 posted on 02/05/2007 6:19:38 PM PST by JTN
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To: traviskicks

Ping


2 posted on 02/05/2007 6:19:57 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN
Entertaining -- for everybody but the victims.

Another problem is more rear-end collisions, as drivers in front slam on the brakes to avoid going through on a yellow (which is permissible).

The city fathers attempt to justify this by saying, "Well, rear end collisions are safer than T-bones." As though drivers were totally interchangeable and fungible, and a rear end collision is a T-bone prevented (not!). Doesn't help the guy whose car is totalled when the engine compartment collapses (or the guy whose nose is broken by the airbag.)

3 posted on 02/05/2007 6:25:11 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: JTN

Part of the problem is the judge's and prosecutor's salary comes from the same kitty fed by the traffic citations.

This is akin to the tax farming of the Roman Empire: Wealthy or soon to be wealthy men would buy the right to collect taxes, fees, tarriffs, or tolls, over a certain geographical area, for a certain period of time. The government was paid up front, and the people were squeezed to make the profit. Such was the life that Matthew the Publican led.

Let us hope that we can give these new ticks "religion".


4 posted on 02/05/2007 6:26:51 PM PST by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: JTN
"We are starting to lose our freedom," one motorist said.

So to keep you from running red lights and broadsiding my family you decide you are losing your freedom.

Ha. Ha. (McCain-Feingold, gun control, income tax, regulation, litigation, EPA..,

5 posted on 02/05/2007 6:27:18 PM PST by groanup (War is not the answer, victory is.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
The city fathers attempt to justify this by saying, "Well, rear end collisions are safer than T-bones."

They may be right, but there is one inconvenient fact that they leave out - that they can prevent both by lengthening yellow lights. Of course, that doesn't bring in revenue.

6 posted on 02/05/2007 6:27:33 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN

Wait until these speed cameras start ticketing speeders on freeways and surface streets. It's already done in one State but I forgot to make a note what State.


7 posted on 02/05/2007 6:32:31 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: JTN

Bingo! We have a winner!


8 posted on 02/05/2007 6:33:17 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: JTN
A point I always try to bring up when discussing this issue. I've noticed that we are starting to get these intersection cameras in my neck of the woods. It seems, (I'll have to check to be sure), that the length of the yellow has been shortened. It seems this would generate a greater number of red light runners and consequently, more revenue.

I can however, see why some folks might be in favor of these cameras. It seems like I see someone running a red light at every intersection I am stopped at.

When I run through a yellow, watching it turn red just as I pass beneath the light, and think, "man, I just made it", I look through the rear view mirror and see that four or five cars behind me ran the light as well.
9 posted on 02/05/2007 6:42:12 PM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: groanup

Ever received a $100 ticket in the mail from somewhere you had never been?
I have.

Fortunately for me, I had proof available that I was somewhere else at the time the photo of a license plate that looked similar to mine was taken on a vehicle running a light.


10 posted on 02/05/2007 6:43:02 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: groanup

So, you're thinking you could be mid-intersection just .5 seconds after the light turns green??

You'd have to be crossing the limit line at the instant the light went to green, and going 30mph in order to do that, which is called "timing" the light, and is every bit as illegal as running the red.


11 posted on 02/05/2007 6:44:07 PM PST by HKMk23 (No view is admirable or infernal but that the root principle makes it so.)
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To: Sergio
I've noticed that we are starting to get these intersection cameras in my neck of the woods. It seems, (I'll have to check to be sure), that the length of the yellow has been shortened. It seems this would generate a greater number of red light runners and consequently, more revenue.

There was a news story a few years ago titled something like "Tale of the 3 Second Yellow Light". I could have sworn I posted it to FR, but I can't find it now. It was about a motorist who received a ticket for running a red. He timed the yellow lights along that stretch of road and found that all the others, which had no cameras on them, had yellow lights that were about a second longer than the camera equipped light where he was ticketed.

12 posted on 02/05/2007 6:50:51 PM PST by JTN ("I came here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.")
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To: JTN

You know what would work? When the light turns red and 3'' steel plate comes up vertically from the street 3 feet high stopping any moving object in its tracks.


13 posted on 02/05/2007 6:53:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: JTN
Very good point.

We have a couple of "problem" intersections locally that have very long yellows . . . with good effect. It does separate the sheep from the goats . . .

14 posted on 02/05/2007 6:54:50 PM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: JTN

Traffic Tickets have always been guilty until proven innocent. Nothing new about that.

Tell me one other court where a police officer can testify alone ,his word against yours and you are guilty.


15 posted on 02/05/2007 7:00:47 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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Arizona has the most egregious examples of this hidden tax program. The CITY of Scottsdale is taxing citizens, er I mean issuing tickets to speeders, by positioning unmanned photo radar (speed cameras) along a stretch of STATE highway in one of the most affluent sections of Arizona.

Wait til the other states get a load of the revenue, excuse me, I mean safe driving conditions, this will generate.

Puhlease.

The highway patrol's union head (I think that's who said this) had it right:

"Convincing citizens that photo radar is in their best interest is like convincing trout that fishing in their stream is for their benefit".

One city in AZ realized they were short of revenue for their targets...so they decided to buy another camera to offset the decrease in tax revenues. Now, all these redlight cameras have been "upgraded" to add speed detection capability.

Read the Arizona Repulsive's coverage of the issue. See how they repeat the tired mantra - "its about safety, its for the children". Not content their message was getting through, they even named the section of freeway a catchy name like "the death corridor" because it had 7 fatalities in one year (or some such relatively insignificant and easily spun statistic).

With their worn out mantra about safety, they mention all the stats about tickets issued, fines collected, non-issuable tickets...conspicuously absent is accident prevention metrics where the best they can do for relevant metrics is comparing this heavily regulated, camera-covered stretch of highway to an equidistant (yet socio-demographically opposite) but non-camera covered stretch of highway on the absolute other side of town.

They have yet to "release" the metrics showing how effective these tactics have been on reducing accidents in the same section of freeway in a similar time period after the install of the cameras.

For a time, the state legislators balked at the audacity of Scottsdale to poach on their turf...right up until they got a whiff of the cash involved. Seems the state is now complicit after a deal to share proceeds. Our "Janet Reno-lite" governor is now pushing for more cities to adopt this tactic to fleece law abiding citizens and enrich the camera company that pockets the lion's share of the fine. The city of Scottsdale opened a revamped impressive payment processing center that has 20 some windows to handle the volume of transactions around these tickets.

We need to stand up and resist these veiled attempts to make law abiding citizens pay, meanwhile they do nothing to add police to the streets to pursue thefts, drunk drivers, and legitimate threats to public safety...


16 posted on 02/05/2007 7:05:53 PM PST by AZGunSlinger
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To: JTN

Arizona has the most egregious examples of this hidden tax program. The CITY of Scottsdale is taxing citizens, er I mean issuing tickets to speeders, by positioning unmanned photo radar (speed cameras) along a stretch of STATE highway in one of the most affluent sections of Arizona.

Wait til the other states get a load of the revenue, excuse me, I mean safe driving conditions, this will generate.

Puhlease.

The highway patrol's union head (I think that's who said this) had it right:

"Convincing citizens that photo radar is in their best interest is like convincing trout that fishing in their stream is for their benefit".

One city in AZ realized they were short of revenue for their targets...so they decided to buy another camera to offset the decrease in tax revenues. Now, all these redlight cameras have been "upgraded" to add speed detection capability.

Read the Arizona Repulsive's coverage of the issue. See how they repeat the tired mantra - "its about safety, its for the children". Not content their message was getting through, they even named the section of freeway a catchy name like "the death corridor" because it had 7 fatalities in one year (or some such relatively insignificant and easily spun statistic).

With their worn out mantra about safety, they mention all the stats about tickets issued, fines collected, non-issuable tickets...conspicuously absent is accident prevention metrics where the best they can do for relevant metrics is comparing this heavily regulated, camera-covered stretch of highway to an equidistant (yet socio-demographically opposite) but non-camera covered stretch of highway on the absolute other side of town.

They have yet to "release" the metrics showing how effective these tactics have been on reducing accidents in the same section of freeway in a similar time period after the install of the cameras.

For a time, the state legislators balked at the audacity of Scottsdale to poach on their turf...right up until they got a whiff of the cash involved. Seems the state is now complicit after a deal to share proceeds. Our "Janet Reno-lite" governor is now pushing for more cities to adopt this tactic to fleece law abiding citizens and enrich the camera company that pockets the lion's share of the fine. The city of Scottsdale opened a revamped impressive payment processing center that has 20 some windows to handle the volume of transactions around these tickets.

We need to stand up and resist these veiled attempts to make law abiding citizens pay, meanwhile they do nothing to add police to the streets to pursue thefts, drunk drivers, and legitimate threats to public safety...


17 posted on 02/05/2007 7:05:54 PM PST by AZGunSlinger
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To: AZGunSlinger

dang - must have hung on the "post" button a little too long. Apologies!


18 posted on 02/05/2007 7:07:11 PM PST by AZGunSlinger
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To: RebelBanker

I have too. I gave a car to a needy lady in the area and she never registered it in her name. I was dumb enough not to check and make sure. I got a red light violation in the mail. Damn glad she didn't do something worse.


19 posted on 02/05/2007 7:08:59 PM PST by groanup (War is not the answer, victory is.)
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To: JTN

Better than lengthening the yellow -- create one second of 4-way red between cycles. It gives an opportunity for all cars to clear the intersection before the next green.


20 posted on 02/05/2007 7:10:13 PM PST by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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