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Schwarzenegger sides with redwood activists (Pacific Lumber)
San Mateo County Times ^ | 01/28/2007 | Mike Zapler

Posted on 01/28/2007 1:26:37 PM PST by calcowgirl

Fate of a 200,000-acre swath owned by Pacific Lumber is in doubt

SACRAMENTO — The Schwarzenegger administration on Friday sided firmly with environmentalists in a potential legal battle with Pacific Lumber Company over a huge swath of ancient redwoods in Humboldt County that could be jeopardized by the company's financial troubles.

The fate of a 200,000-acre swath of redwoods owned by Pacific Lumber was thrown into doubt last week when the company filed for bankruptcy in Texas. In 1999, the state and federal governments spent $480 million combined to buy 7,400 acres of the company's redwoods, now part of Headwaters Forest Reserve, and establish a "habitat conservation" plan to protect endangered species on 200,000 acres of the company's land.

Environmentalists and Democrats worry that the company will try to escape from that 50-year deal during bankruptcy proceedings — a maneuver that would boost the timber company's value. On Friday, the Schwarzenegger administration weighed in, declaring that the state will use every possible means to protect the redwoods.

The governor's stance ensures that Pacific Lumber will face a tough legal battle if it tries to extricate itself from the redwoods agreement.

"We intend to be dogged and unyielding in our efforts to protect California's interests and hold (Pacific Lumber) to all of its obligations," Mike Chrisman, secretary of the state Resources Agency, wrote in a letter to the Democratic leader of the state Senate, Don Perata of Oakland.

Pacific Lumber spokeswoman Andrea Arnot said the company to date has not asked the bankruptcy court for any changes to the Headwaters agreement, which she called the "most stringent environmental standards" ever placed on timber harvesting.

When asked whether the company might seek such alterations to the deal at some point during bankruptcy proceedings, Arnot said, "You're asking me to speculate how a legal proceeding will go. I can't speculate."

Environmentalists appreciated Schwarzenegger's help in what could be a protracted legal battle. "Taxpayers made a significant investment in these environmental protections," the Sierra Club's Paul Mason said, "so it's very welcome to see the state will be taking all possible steps to ensure those commitments are honored."

Schwarzenegger's opposition isn't the only obstacle the logging company would face if it tries to nullify the redwoods agreement. The deal's requirements were attached to the deeds of Pacific Lumber's land to ensure that new owners would be bound to the same rules if Pacific Lumber ceased to exist, said former state Senator Byron Sher, D-Palo Alto.

In filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, Pacific Lumber blamed what it called overly strict state water regulations — rules separate from those contained in the redwoods agreement — for unfairly squeezing logging profits. That led some observers to wonder whether the company will try to get out of the deal it had signed.

The 200,000 acres of Humboldt County forests at issue is roughly seven times the size of San Francisco.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: callingallilk; environment; pacificlumber
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To: calcowgirl

Uhh, environmentalists do a lot of stupid things, but based on the information here, I'm not against them in this case. The redwoods are a national treasure, one of the most beautiful places in the world, and protecting them seems to be a perfectly sensible thing to do.


41 posted on 01/28/2007 8:02:32 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: calcowgirl

Just out of curiosity, have you ever driven the full length of 101 from Ukiah to the Oregon border?


42 posted on 01/28/2007 8:03:47 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: calcowgirl
Out of curiosity, who do you think should pay for these "costs"?

I believe that California and the federal government should share in the cost. I hate taxes, but if there is anything worth paying for, it's these magnificent forests. When walking among these trees, it's the closest thing to heaven that you can imagine.

43 posted on 01/28/2007 8:04:02 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: JCEccles
I'm sorry, but this sounds like the kind of glib, arbitary statistic that environmentalist freaks delight to make up out of thin air or that they concoct by manipulating and stretching the data to preposterous lengths. Nobody ever challenges it so it becomes the "truth" by mindless repetition.

And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative, and I am right on this issue. I win and you lose.

44 posted on 01/28/2007 8:08:33 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: ExtremeUnction

How much of the Redwoods have you seen? If the stretch in Humboldt County were really 5 percent of the original, the people of Kansas City would have been up to their asses in redwoods.


45 posted on 01/28/2007 8:12:36 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: ExtremeUnction

And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative, and I am right on this issue. I win and you lose.
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Wow. You are one scary individual. Your mindset is what gives support to totalitarian regimes. Heil Arnold eh comrade?


46 posted on 01/28/2007 8:45:24 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl; tubebender
Threads like this are the reason I seldom comment anymore. The issue is private property rights, not "saving the redwoods". How about "save america"? How about "save the constitution"? How about "save the free market"?

What about the fact that socialism or gov't control of land is the quickest way to destroy it? What about the fact that the comapny makes money growing redwoods? What about the fact that the very liberals that hate redwood logging, build redwood decks to "keep up with the Jones'"?
47 posted on 01/28/2007 8:55:37 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: ArmstedFragg
If the stretch in Humboldt County were really 5 percent of the original, the people of Kansas City would have been up to their asses in redwoods.

I spend much of my time along the Eel River, near Ferndale on one side, and Lolita on the other. I have been to Kansas City. When are they going to bulldoze it and do it right? It seems like a good candidate for renewal, or maybe just abandonment.

48 posted on 01/28/2007 9:00:40 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: forester
Wow. You are one scary individual. Your mindset is what gives support to totalitarian regimes. Heil Arnold eh comrade?

Ja. Alle wir sollten unseren Führer, Arnold befolgen. Dann alle erhalten wir entlang. Danke.

49 posted on 01/28/2007 9:17:15 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: forester
What about the fact that socialism or gov't control of land is the quickest way to destroy it?

What about the fact that Pacific Lumber agreed to the plan as part of a $480 million deal. This is contract law.

50 posted on 01/28/2007 9:24:42 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: ArmstedFragg
Just out of curiosity, have you ever driven the full length of 101 from Ukiah to the Oregon border?

Isn't that the area with lots of redwoods? ;-) That might be why they call it the Redwood Highway, huh? It's been a few years, but I've driven the leg between Arcata and Ukiah. I haven't driven the portion north of there.

51 posted on 01/28/2007 9:41:32 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ExtremeUnction
And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative, and I am right on this issue. I win and you lose.

Hmmm. Now, what does that remind me of? Oh yeah: " We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton

52 posted on 01/28/2007 9:43:51 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: ExtremeUnction
I believe that California and the federal government should share in the cost.

That belief is more communist than conservative.

53 posted on 01/28/2007 9:45:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl
The article doesn’t explain that “Headwaters Forest” exists in the triangle between Kneeland, Eureka and Fortuna and that it’s not all virgin old growth: it’s already been largely logged.

The tract everyone’s been fighting over for 20-old years is a fairly small amount.

The biggest reason that there’s been so much fighting over it is because it’s the closest virgin forest to Eureka which desperately needs the tourism dollars to survive.

54 posted on 01/28/2007 9:46:26 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: ExtremeUnction
And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative...

Your position defies your conclusion.

55 posted on 01/28/2007 9:46:49 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ExtremeUnction

So why can't they harvest trees that are blown down?? Why do we have to let burned forests rot.

There is such a thing as Forest Management which the Enviroterrorists will not allow.

Pray for W and Our Troops


56 posted on 01/28/2007 9:48:20 PM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: ExtremeUnction

How do you know this is not second growth forest? Seems this is another Spotted Owl boondoggle to protect habitat. If the lieyers want to make laws that strangle mills than they should be ready to pony up when mills file bankruptcy.

Pray for W and Our Troops


57 posted on 01/28/2007 9:53:56 PM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: bray
The dead trees in an old growth redwood stand are needed by the trees that are still living.

Unlike thick forests that you see almost everywhere else in the country, redwood stands are fairly sparse of undergrowth: you basically only have redwoods, ferns, clovers and moss. The redwoods are too oppressive for much anything else to survive.

When a tree comes down, its bio mass is re-introduced to the soil and fertilizes the trees around it….the ferns, clovers and moss can’t do that.

58 posted on 01/28/2007 9:59:40 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Do you have any idea how many centuries it takes for a Redwood to biomass? Good grief there is more from falling leaves in second growth than ever come from the wood out of the tree.

Do you know the number one cause of deforestation worldwide?

Pray for W and Our Troops


59 posted on 01/28/2007 10:04:17 PM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: ArmstedFragg; ExtremeUnction; JCEccles

I just did read through some statistics from the Forest Service.
http://www.ncrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr_nc241.pdf

The inventory of Redwoods has steadily grown since 1970. There are estimated to be 121 million redwoods in the country, all in the west, covering approx 921,000 acres. That number is up from about 95 million in 1970. The ownership (in acres) is as follows:

- National Forest............. 11,000
- Other Public Lands....... 259,000
- Non Industrial Private... 269,000
- Forest Industry............. 394,000

One might ask, what is the ideal redwood-per-capita ratio? Will the "conservationists" only be happy when *all* of the redwoods are "protected"?


60 posted on 01/28/2007 10:05:03 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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