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Schwarzenegger sides with redwood activists (Pacific Lumber)
San Mateo County Times ^ | 01/28/2007 | Mike Zapler

Posted on 01/28/2007 1:26:37 PM PST by calcowgirl

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To: ExtremeUnction

If we save all the redwoods where do we get the redwood tables and chairs at?


81 posted on 01/28/2007 10:55:43 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* ?I love you guys?)
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To: forester
Yeah... I know exactly how you feel and why you are getting more and more reluctant to comment on here. All of a sudden lately we're getting more and more supposed "experts" with all kinds of off the wall commentary.

It's getting so thick around here that it's hard to pick out an actual factual professional practioner of "sustainable forestry" like you from all the self-annointed riff-raff of pseudo "experts!"

Good to see you here regardless!!! This site needs good authentic productive people like you, Sir!!!

82 posted on 01/28/2007 11:09:38 PM PST by SierraWasp (Wasn't one "Co-Presidency" enough? Will we now have to see who SHE "does" in the oval office???!!!)
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To: zbigreddogz

Uhh, environmentalists do a lot of stupid things, but based on the information here, I'm not against them in this case. The redwoods are a national treasure, one of the most beautiful places in the world, and protecting them seems to be a perfectly sensible thing to do.

My sentiments precisely. I'm on the side of the trees this time. I'm against environmentalist whackos, but not against all environmental endeavors in totality. You don't have to be a whacko to want to conserve some of nature rather than give it up in the name of the almighty dollar if you can't easily replace that which you destroyed. I think everyone should go stand in a Redwood forest some time in their life to see their value, which, IMO, is immense. I was totally impressed with their beauty and hugeness. They are indeed national treasures.


83 posted on 01/28/2007 11:15:56 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: forester

"gov't control of land is the quickest way to destroy it?"

Hmmmm, has the gov't destroyed our national parks and system? I don't think so. As far as I can see, Teddy Roosevelt (a Republican you know), has a good idea that lasts until this very day. You're hypberbole stands in the way of your rationality.


84 posted on 01/28/2007 11:18:50 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: B Knotts
"... Huge amounts of old-growth redwoods are preserved in Redwood National Park."

Redwood National Park is a tiny 110,000 acre dot of land that holds about half of the remaining coastal redwoods.

We used to have about 2,000,000 acres of coastal redwoods back when California was founded. Big trees are long gone.

Redwood timber is just too fine a quality of wood to be building typical overpriced cheap-shit California homes and patio decks with and making fancy garden mulch out of.

Californians can get by with having homes made of glue, sawdust, more glue, chalk, stucco, and white pine lumber. Only Al Gore would build a redwood home thousands of miles away from the nearest redwood forest.

85 posted on 01/28/2007 11:42:48 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: claptrap
"... If the forests arent thinned dont they just burn down any way when the underbrush gets heavy?"

In redwood country, you'd be lucky to even get a match lit because of the year-round soggy weather. That's why those forests are ancient.

86 posted on 01/28/2007 11:44:55 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: SierraWasp; forester

You're right about the off the wall comments here.

This subject can attract the most stupid of the stupid who end up advocating communism or fascism, or outright theft, to "save the trees." These people know less than nothing about forests and even less than that about private property and individual rights.

Let's see, I have pictures of my property from 1906. It was largely bare ground. Now, one hundred years later, it's covered with forest. See? Trees are a sustainable and renewable resource, pop up all by themselves without the help of Freeper fascists and their Sierra Club apparatchnik brothers.

I have huge cedars on the property probably 200 years old. And right next to them grow little cedars. Oh my gosh, replacements. And the government fascists didn't order me to grow them. The trees did it all by themselves.


And if people want to "preserve" some tract of forest or a pretty topography, go buy it.

And Forester does indeed know his trees. We need to see him around more often.


87 posted on 01/29/2007 5:22:51 AM PST by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: RGSpincich; forester
PL was abiding by the original rules and regulations. Then along came the North Coast Water Quality Control Board and added onerous regs that effectively put PL under...
88 posted on 01/29/2007 7:12:38 AM PST by tubebender ( Everything east of the San Andreas fault will eventually plunge into the Atlantic Ocean...)
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To: tubebender
Problem is that PL signed an agreement that did not limit the authority of peripheral oversight public agencies. IOW, the water quality people had a problem with the plan from the git. PL knew about the water quality agency objections and did choose to ignore a relevant clause in their agreement with the forestry. The clause states that the agreement with forestry shall not limit the powers of other state agencies that may be affected by the agreement.

PL should have used their Headwaters leverage at the time to get water agencies to sign on to the plan. In their effort to obtain the Headwaters, enviro-weenies pressure to force water agency agreement would have been great. It was all about the trees then.

89 posted on 01/29/2007 8:01:11 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Riverman94610
I agree with you completely. To cede the environmental protection issue to the liberals is the maddest of follies.

Thank you. I appreciate your support.

90 posted on 01/29/2007 8:56:00 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: BunnySlippers

Clone yourself at once! Florida needs several million like you. Imagine - a resident of FLoriDUH with a library card!

That sucking sound Perot talked about may have been the intellectual black hole that South FloriDUH has become.

Actually, snarkiness aside, a colleague of mine has a granddaughter who just turned 12 this weekend and he lives in Mims, Florida. During a discussion we all agreed that the lil genius should read Chase's Playing God In Yellowstone first.

The library in Titusville (just down the road from Mims) actually had it. It had also been checked out before. Multiple times, too.

South Florida is largely Libroids, the rest is still part of America.


91 posted on 01/29/2007 11:04:48 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: flaglady47

You wrote, "You're hypberbole stands in the way of your rationality."

I think you meant, "Your hypberbole stands in the way of your rationality."

Alas, correction of a mere typo can't erase the fact that you have posted proof that your karma has been negatively impacted (run over) your dogma.

The extremely negative impact of un-naturally large numbers of elk in Yellowstone have casued such a reduction of the aspen that the change is visible from space.

Unelected, and totally unresponsive, uniformed and gun totin' goobers in all too many gooberment agencies have produced all too many proofs that the Founders wisely did not allow governemt to own land except for exceeding limited (and carefully defined) purposes.

A reading of the Constitution will refresh tihs in your mind, I am sure. In today's media permeated society, it is all too easy to lose sight of the Constitution in the endless screams of the protest industry to "Save the ------"! Just inser the cause of the day to complete that last sentence.

PS Teddy R created Yellowstone by executive order. Nothing all that Constitutionally justified, he just did it. Just like Bubba Clinton's abuses of executive orders - different era, same sh*t.


92 posted on 01/29/2007 11:20:44 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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To: GladesGuru

Actually, I'm in Los Angeles, CA.

I spend lots and lots of time in the library. I love to read. :)


93 posted on 01/29/2007 11:39:24 AM PST by BunnySlippers (SAY YES TO RUDY !!!)
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To: calcowgirl

I say save them at all costs.

ditto

Out of curiosity, who do you think should pay for these "costs"?



What costs are you talking about?


94 posted on 01/29/2007 11:51:13 AM PST by countreegurl
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To: ArmstedFragg

Sigh! The end of an era...

Now's the time to snap up that cute little Scotia vacation cottage, PL's selling the town.

By the time the enviros get done, Humboldt County will only have two products left. One's illegal, and the other (tofu) ought to be.



A developer already purchased Scotia. As for Humboldt County...the harbor has been deep-water dredged and discussions are well on their way with the Port of Oakland to take some of the traffic they cannot handle. Commerce is alive and well - our west coast ports are over crowded and new locations are needed....Humboldt will be one of those.


95 posted on 01/29/2007 12:10:51 PM PST by countreegurl
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To: countreegurl
What costs are you talking about?

By posting "ditto", I assumed you were agreeing with the post that said:

You We have cut down 95% of the old growth redwoods. The remaining giants are a national treasure. I say save them at all costs.

Are you suggesting that there are no costs? What exactly would you propose be done to "save them at all costs"?

96 posted on 01/29/2007 12:15:49 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: countreegurl

Are you sure you're not confusing Scotia with Samoa? Samoa was recently acquired by a developer. Scotia is in an ongoing discussion with Rio Dell over becoming part of that city, and the parties to the discussion are Rio Dell and Pacific Lumber, so I'm pretty sure they still own the town. They've been talking about selling the houses to the employees who are living in them, and forming a Utilities district to provide public services.

I think the bay dredging was a bit more extensive this time, but the ongoing problem Humboldt County has is that there's no rail transportation out of there and the closest major market is two hundred fifty miles away by truck. You also can't truck anything to the east.

I was in Port Hueneme when the west coast dock shortage provided them with a huge boost. Most of the BMW's in the state now come in through there and auto companies have become major employers. It'd be lovely if something similar happened in Humboldt County, but I don't forsee any huge increase in shipping in the near future. The roads aren't going to get better, and the North Coast Railway would be three years away from operating if it started now, and it hasn't.


97 posted on 01/29/2007 3:17:40 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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