Posted on 01/28/2007 1:26:37 PM PST by calcowgirl
If we save all the redwoods where do we get the redwood tables and chairs at?
It's getting so thick around here that it's hard to pick out an actual factual professional practioner of "sustainable forestry" like you from all the self-annointed riff-raff of pseudo "experts!"
Good to see you here regardless!!! This site needs good authentic productive people like you, Sir!!!
Uhh, environmentalists do a lot of stupid things, but based on the information here, I'm not against them in this case. The redwoods are a national treasure, one of the most beautiful places in the world, and protecting them seems to be a perfectly sensible thing to do.
My sentiments precisely. I'm on the side of the trees this time. I'm against environmentalist whackos, but not against all environmental endeavors in totality. You don't have to be a whacko to want to conserve some of nature rather than give it up in the name of the almighty dollar if you can't easily replace that which you destroyed. I think everyone should go stand in a Redwood forest some time in their life to see their value, which, IMO, is immense. I was totally impressed with their beauty and hugeness. They are indeed national treasures.
"gov't control of land is the quickest way to destroy it?"
Hmmmm, has the gov't destroyed our national parks and system? I don't think so. As far as I can see, Teddy Roosevelt (a Republican you know), has a good idea that lasts until this very day. You're hypberbole stands in the way of your rationality.
Redwood National Park is a tiny 110,000 acre dot of land that holds about half of the remaining coastal redwoods.
We used to have about 2,000,000 acres of coastal redwoods back when California was founded. Big trees are long gone.
Redwood timber is just too fine a quality of wood to be building typical overpriced cheap-shit California homes and patio decks with and making fancy garden mulch out of.
Californians can get by with having homes made of glue, sawdust, more glue, chalk, stucco, and white pine lumber. Only Al Gore would build a redwood home thousands of miles away from the nearest redwood forest.
In redwood country, you'd be lucky to even get a match lit because of the year-round soggy weather. That's why those forests are ancient.
You're right about the off the wall comments here.
This subject can attract the most stupid of the stupid who end up advocating communism or fascism, or outright theft, to "save the trees." These people know less than nothing about forests and even less than that about private property and individual rights.
Let's see, I have pictures of my property from 1906. It was largely bare ground. Now, one hundred years later, it's covered with forest. See? Trees are a sustainable and renewable resource, pop up all by themselves without the help of Freeper fascists and their Sierra Club apparatchnik brothers.
I have huge cedars on the property probably 200 years old. And right next to them grow little cedars. Oh my gosh, replacements. And the government fascists didn't order me to grow them. The trees did it all by themselves.
And if people want to "preserve" some tract of forest or a pretty topography, go buy it.
And Forester does indeed know his trees. We need to see him around more often.
PL should have used their Headwaters leverage at the time to get water agencies to sign on to the plan. In their effort to obtain the Headwaters, enviro-weenies pressure to force water agency agreement would have been great. It was all about the trees then.
Thank you. I appreciate your support.
Clone yourself at once! Florida needs several million like you. Imagine - a resident of FLoriDUH with a library card!
That sucking sound Perot talked about may have been the intellectual black hole that South FloriDUH has become.
Actually, snarkiness aside, a colleague of mine has a granddaughter who just turned 12 this weekend and he lives in Mims, Florida. During a discussion we all agreed that the lil genius should read Chase's Playing God In Yellowstone first.
The library in Titusville (just down the road from Mims) actually had it. It had also been checked out before. Multiple times, too.
South Florida is largely Libroids, the rest is still part of America.
You wrote, "You're hypberbole stands in the way of your rationality."
I think you meant, "Your hypberbole stands in the way of your rationality."
Alas, correction of a mere typo can't erase the fact that you have posted proof that your karma has been negatively impacted (run over) your dogma.
The extremely negative impact of un-naturally large numbers of elk in Yellowstone have casued such a reduction of the aspen that the change is visible from space.
Unelected, and totally unresponsive, uniformed and gun totin' goobers in all too many gooberment agencies have produced all too many proofs that the Founders wisely did not allow governemt to own land except for exceeding limited (and carefully defined) purposes.
A reading of the Constitution will refresh tihs in your mind, I am sure. In today's media permeated society, it is all too easy to lose sight of the Constitution in the endless screams of the protest industry to "Save the ------"! Just inser the cause of the day to complete that last sentence.
PS Teddy R created Yellowstone by executive order. Nothing all that Constitutionally justified, he just did it. Just like Bubba Clinton's abuses of executive orders - different era, same sh*t.
Actually, I'm in Los Angeles, CA.
I spend lots and lots of time in the library. I love to read. :)
I say save them at all costs.
ditto
Out of curiosity, who do you think should pay for these "costs"?
Sigh! The end of an era...
Now's the time to snap up that cute little Scotia vacation cottage, PL's selling the town.
By the time the enviros get done, Humboldt County will only have two products left. One's illegal, and the other (tofu) ought to be.
By posting "ditto", I assumed you were agreeing with the post that said:
Are you suggesting that there are no costs? What exactly would you propose be done to "save them at all costs"?
Are you sure you're not confusing Scotia with Samoa? Samoa was recently acquired by a developer. Scotia is in an ongoing discussion with Rio Dell over becoming part of that city, and the parties to the discussion are Rio Dell and Pacific Lumber, so I'm pretty sure they still own the town. They've been talking about selling the houses to the employees who are living in them, and forming a Utilities district to provide public services.
I think the bay dredging was a bit more extensive this time, but the ongoing problem Humboldt County has is that there's no rail transportation out of there and the closest major market is two hundred fifty miles away by truck. You also can't truck anything to the east.
I was in Port Hueneme when the west coast dock shortage provided them with a huge boost. Most of the BMW's in the state now come in through there and auto companies have become major employers. It'd be lovely if something similar happened in Humboldt County, but I don't forsee any huge increase in shipping in the near future. The roads aren't going to get better, and the North Coast Railway would be three years away from operating if it started now, and it hasn't.
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