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Schwarzenegger sides with redwood activists (Pacific Lumber)
San Mateo County Times ^ | 01/28/2007 | Mike Zapler

Posted on 01/28/2007 1:26:37 PM PST by calcowgirl

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To: calcowgirl

Uhh, environmentalists do a lot of stupid things, but based on the information here, I'm not against them in this case. The redwoods are a national treasure, one of the most beautiful places in the world, and protecting them seems to be a perfectly sensible thing to do.


41 posted on 01/28/2007 8:02:32 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: calcowgirl

Just out of curiosity, have you ever driven the full length of 101 from Ukiah to the Oregon border?


42 posted on 01/28/2007 8:03:47 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: calcowgirl
Out of curiosity, who do you think should pay for these "costs"?

I believe that California and the federal government should share in the cost. I hate taxes, but if there is anything worth paying for, it's these magnificent forests. When walking among these trees, it's the closest thing to heaven that you can imagine.

43 posted on 01/28/2007 8:04:02 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: JCEccles
I'm sorry, but this sounds like the kind of glib, arbitary statistic that environmentalist freaks delight to make up out of thin air or that they concoct by manipulating and stretching the data to preposterous lengths. Nobody ever challenges it so it becomes the "truth" by mindless repetition.

And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative, and I am right on this issue. I win and you lose.

44 posted on 01/28/2007 8:08:33 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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How much of the Redwoods have you seen? If the stretch in Humboldt County were really 5 percent of the original, the people of Kansas City would have been up to their asses in redwoods.


45 posted on 01/28/2007 8:12:36 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: ExtremeUnction

And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative, and I am right on this issue. I win and you lose.
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Wow. You are one scary individual. Your mindset is what gives support to totalitarian regimes. Heil Arnold eh comrade?


46 posted on 01/28/2007 8:45:24 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: SierraWasp; calcowgirl; tubebender
Threads like this are the reason I seldom comment anymore. The issue is private property rights, not "saving the redwoods". How about "save america"? How about "save the constitution"? How about "save the free market"?

What about the fact that socialism or gov't control of land is the quickest way to destroy it? What about the fact that the comapny makes money growing redwoods? What about the fact that the very liberals that hate redwood logging, build redwood decks to "keep up with the Jones'"?
47 posted on 01/28/2007 8:55:37 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: ArmstedFragg
If the stretch in Humboldt County were really 5 percent of the original, the people of Kansas City would have been up to their asses in redwoods.

I spend much of my time along the Eel River, near Ferndale on one side, and Lolita on the other. I have been to Kansas City. When are they going to bulldoze it and do it right? It seems like a good candidate for renewal, or maybe just abandonment.

48 posted on 01/28/2007 9:00:40 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: forester
Wow. You are one scary individual. Your mindset is what gives support to totalitarian regimes. Heil Arnold eh comrade?

Ja. Alle wir sollten unseren Führer, Arnold befolgen. Dann alle erhalten wir entlang. Danke.

49 posted on 01/28/2007 9:17:15 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: forester
What about the fact that socialism or gov't control of land is the quickest way to destroy it?

What about the fact that Pacific Lumber agreed to the plan as part of a $480 million deal. This is contract law.

50 posted on 01/28/2007 9:24:42 PM PST by RGSpincich
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To: ArmstedFragg
Just out of curiosity, have you ever driven the full length of 101 from Ukiah to the Oregon border?

Isn't that the area with lots of redwoods? ;-) That might be why they call it the Redwood Highway, huh? It's been a few years, but I've driven the leg between Arcata and Ukiah. I haven't driven the portion north of there.

51 posted on 01/28/2007 9:41:32 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative, and I am right on this issue. I win and you lose.

Hmmm. Now, what does that remind me of? Oh yeah: " We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." Hillary Clinton

52 posted on 01/28/2007 9:43:51 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: ExtremeUnction
I believe that California and the federal government should share in the cost.

That belief is more communist than conservative.

53 posted on 01/28/2007 9:45:37 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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The article doesn’t explain that “Headwaters Forest” exists in the triangle between Kneeland, Eureka and Fortuna and that it’s not all virgin old growth: it’s already been largely logged.

The tract everyone’s been fighting over for 20-old years is a fairly small amount.

The biggest reason that there’s been so much fighting over it is because it’s the closest virgin forest to Eureka which desperately needs the tourism dollars to survive.

54 posted on 01/28/2007 9:46:26 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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And I'm sorry, but guess what..YOU are going to help pay to save these magnificent forests. And I am not an environmentalist freak. I am a staunch conservative...

Your position defies your conclusion.

55 posted on 01/28/2007 9:46:49 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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So why can't they harvest trees that are blown down?? Why do we have to let burned forests rot.

There is such a thing as Forest Management which the Enviroterrorists will not allow.

Pray for W and Our Troops


56 posted on 01/28/2007 9:48:20 PM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: ExtremeUnction

How do you know this is not second growth forest? Seems this is another Spotted Owl boondoggle to protect habitat. If the lieyers want to make laws that strangle mills than they should be ready to pony up when mills file bankruptcy.

Pray for W and Our Troops


57 posted on 01/28/2007 9:53:56 PM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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The dead trees in an old growth redwood stand are needed by the trees that are still living.

Unlike thick forests that you see almost everywhere else in the country, redwood stands are fairly sparse of undergrowth: you basically only have redwoods, ferns, clovers and moss. The redwoods are too oppressive for much anything else to survive.

When a tree comes down, its bio mass is re-introduced to the soil and fertilizes the trees around it….the ferns, clovers and moss can’t do that.

58 posted on 01/28/2007 9:59:40 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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Do you have any idea how many centuries it takes for a Redwood to biomass? Good grief there is more from falling leaves in second growth than ever come from the wood out of the tree.

Do you know the number one cause of deforestation worldwide?

Pray for W and Our Troops


59 posted on 01/28/2007 10:04:17 PM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: ArmstedFragg; ExtremeUnction; JCEccles

I just did read through some statistics from the Forest Service.
http://www.ncrs.fs.fed.us/pubs/gtr/gtr_nc241.pdf

The inventory of Redwoods has steadily grown since 1970. There are estimated to be 121 million redwoods in the country, all in the west, covering approx 921,000 acres. That number is up from about 95 million in 1970. The ownership (in acres) is as follows:

- National Forest............. 11,000
- Other Public Lands....... 259,000
- Non Industrial Private... 269,000
- Forest Industry............. 394,000

One might ask, what is the ideal redwood-per-capita ratio? Will the "conservationists" only be happy when *all* of the redwoods are "protected"?


60 posted on 01/28/2007 10:05:03 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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