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Rudy opposes gay nups ban (3/8/2004)
New York Daily News ^ | 3/8/2004 | JAMES GORDON MEEK

Posted on 01/26/2007 12:29:42 PM PST by Ol' Sparky

WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani came out yesterday against President Bush's call for a ban on gay marriage.

The former mayor, who Vice President Cheney joked the other night is after his job, vigorously defended the President on his post-9/11 leadership but made clear he disagrees with Bush's proposal to rewrite the Constitution to outlaw gays and lesbians from tying the knot.

"I don't think it's ripe for decision at this point," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"I certainly wouldn't support [a ban] at this time," added Giuliani, who lived with a gay Manhattan couple when he moved out of Gracie Mansion during his nasty divorce.

Giuliani took his gay rights stance just as speculation hits a fever pitch that he's in line to replace Cheney on Bush's ticket.

Cheney and New York Sen. Hillary Clinton fueled the vice presidential talk at Saturday night's Gridiron Dinner in Washington.

To a mock question from the audience asking Cheney to step aside for someone with "new energy and vitality," the veep turned to Giuliani and zinged: "You need to do a better job of disguising your handwriting."

Asked yesterday whether he would run with Bush if Cheney stepped aside, the mayor-turned-businessman mimicked Marlon Brando in "The Godfather": "An offer I couldn't refuse, right?" But he didn't say no.

Giuliani conceded he's "out of sync" with his party's conservative base, but likened himself to other moderate GOP stars like Gov. Pataki and Calif. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And while he was cagey on the veep talk, the former mayor said he will run for elected office again, but didn't say which one.

Giuliani is considered a leading GOP hopeful in the 2008 presidential race, though he may decide to challenge Clinton in her 2006 Senate reelection bid.

But for now, Giuliani has been making the rounds burnishing the President's terror-fighting credentials and joining in Republican attempts to portray Kerry as a would-be waffler-in-chief.

He once more defended Bush's use of footage of a flag-draped coffin coming out of Ground Zero in controversial new political ads.

"To leave [Sept. 11] out of a political campaign when you're running for reelection cuts out half your leadership," he said. "I mean, it would make no sense."

But Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who ran against Bush in 2000, disagreed.

"I might not have used the ad of the coffin coming out, or the body coming out of the ruins with a flag on it," he told ABC's "This Week."

Originally published on March 8, 2004


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: buthecanwin; giulianirino; homosexualagenda
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To: trumandogz

Tell them he has a good sense of humor?


21 posted on 01/26/2007 12:42:01 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Listen to the sustain!" "I'm not hearing anything." "You would thought, if it were playing.")
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To: areafiftyone
Why are you posting an article from 2004???

I guess the Swift boat veterans were out of line?

22 posted on 01/26/2007 12:42:43 PM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

RUDY IS AT THE TOP OF MINE! :-)


23 posted on 01/26/2007 12:43:00 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: Ol' Sparky

Rudy is a RINO. He cannot get the votes necessary to win the presidency.


24 posted on 01/26/2007 12:43:48 PM PST by Candor7
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To: Ol' Sparky

From the beginning I have had the solution to the gay marriage issue, I hope Rudy or someone else is listening and take this common sense position:

GO GET A FREAKIN' LAWYER AND HAMMER OUT WHATEVER AGREEMENT YOU WANT CONCERNING WILLS, DISSOLUTION OF YOUR COMMITMENT OR WHATEVER!!!!

Homosexual marriage is an oxymoron and won't be considered.


25 posted on 01/26/2007 12:43:50 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
You know, when Rudy first announced his candidacy, a handful of people here came out in support of him and tried to tell us how he had changed and would support social conservatism. Now that there is overwhelming evidence proving that he is no different from Hillary Clinton on most issues - again, by his own admission - this handful of people is running around slandering people who don't toe the Democratic party line on social issues. We live in strange times.
26 posted on 01/26/2007 12:44:45 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: areafiftyone

Why are you posting another one of his flip flops?

You rudy cheerleaders are a funny bunch.


27 posted on 01/26/2007 12:44:46 PM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be plucking feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Yesterday was March 7, 2004.

I didn't agree it should be a Constitutional Ban either as did a lot of others. States Right's Issue IMHO and Congress should spend their time on imporant matters to this Country not on the issue of Gay Marriage which has been decided in State after State to ban it. I strongly supported the Gay Marriage Ban in my State of OK but do no believe it belongs in the Constitution. Some of you folks are going so far over the edge it is getting funny as you dig up articles and make it sound like this was made following the President's State of the Union.

28 posted on 01/26/2007 12:46:04 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican - Vote Rudy/Hunter - Take Back the House and Senate in '08)
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To: beltfed308

These are not Swift Boat Veterans by any means. The guys who do this consistently on every Rudy thread are nothing but desperate people that are afraid of Rudy and his high poll rating. Smell the fear!


29 posted on 01/26/2007 12:46:09 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: word_warrior_bob
--"To call Rudy a RINO is a stretch."--

Well, I don't really know about that. He did refer to himself as a "Rockefeller Republican," and shunned the idea that he could be considered a "Reagan Republican."

What makes him most a RINO is his desire to change so many things about the Party and its platform. I see a Conservative Republican as one who generally agrees with the platform on both the social and fiscal (broad terms) issues; a mainstream Republican as one who generally agrees but has one or two issues they don't reconcile with on either side; a RINO to me is someone who rebukes several issues on one side or another or both of the platform, and seeks not to reconcile with the platform, but to revamp the platform to reconcile with his/her own views.

That's why I think Rudy is a RINO. He doesn't want to change to fit the well-established platform issues- he wants to change the platform to accommodate his own views on the issues.
30 posted on 01/26/2007 12:46:15 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: areafiftyone

They could win big! If only the personal baggage they hold could be forgiven...


31 posted on 01/26/2007 12:46:54 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Listen to the sustain!" "I'm not hearing anything." "You would thought, if it were playing.")
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To: areafiftyone
My recently deceased father owned a department store in a county seat town in Iowa. Every year the merchants had a "Ridiculous Days" sale and on a couple of occasions he dressed up as a woman for the event. A photo of him in that costume with me when I was a young girl is one of my fondest possessions. The people that post that photo as a derogatory statement on Rudy's character make me ill.
32 posted on 01/26/2007 12:47:09 PM PST by babaloo
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To: Ol' Sparky
Hmmm...doesn't the Republican Party Platform have something to say about gay marriage? Why...yes it does...

Protecting Marriage

We strongly support President Bush’s call for a Constitutional amendment that fully protects marriage, and we believe that neither federal nor state judges nor bureaucrats should force states to recognize other living arrangements as equivalent to marriage. We believe, and the social science confirms, that the well-being of children is best accomplished in the environment of the home, nurtured by their mother and father anchored by the bonds of marriage. We further believe that legal recognition and the accompanying benefits afforded couples should be preserved for that unique and special union of one man and one woman which has historically been called marriage.

After more than two centuries of American jurisprudence, and millennia of human experience, a few judges and local authorities are presuming to change the most fundamental institution of civilization, the union of a man and a woman in marriage. Attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country, and anything less than a Constitutional amendment, passed by the Congress and ratified by the states, is vulnerable to being overturned by activist judges. On a matter of such importance, the voice of the people must be heard. The Constitutional amendment process guarantees that the final decision will rest with the American people and their elected representatives. President Bush will also vigorously defend the Defense of Marriage Act, which was supported by both parties and passed by 85 votes in the Senate. This common sense law reaffirms the right of states not to recognize same-sex marriages licensed in other states.

And this is not the only area of the Republican Party Platform that finds Giuliani in opposition.

33 posted on 01/26/2007 12:47:17 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: areafiftyone

How am I going to explain to my children the President Giuliani thought that it would be okay for their mommy to kill them while they were still in her womb?


34 posted on 01/26/2007 12:47:27 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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To: areafiftyone
Well,

I do fear Rudy, and all that a Rudy nomination would mean for many of the issues I hold dearly.

But I don't fear his poll numbers. I don't think anyone seriously should fear poll numbers just yet.

I still have a hard time believing that when the votes are actually tallied, the highest a social Conservative will finish in any Primary is second or third.
35 posted on 01/26/2007 12:48:12 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: Ol' Sparky

How will I explain to my kids that Rudy outlawed dancing in NYC bars (by dusting off & enforcing its ancient cabaret law)?


36 posted on 01/26/2007 12:48:50 PM PST by gdani (Save the cheerleader, save the world)
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To: trumandogz

OH BROTHER! GET A GRIP! Did you vote for Reagan??? How could you vote for Reagan who signed one of the biggest abortion and marriage laws in the state of California??? He sure changed his tune while running for president didn't he?


37 posted on 01/26/2007 12:49:15 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason)
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To: word_warrior_bob

Well said, but then you ARE the word warrior.


38 posted on 01/26/2007 12:49:18 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Liz; TommyDale; EternalVigilance; Hydroshock; flashbunny; Reagan Man; narses; Nevernow; ...

(((( CONSERVATIVE PING ))))


39 posted on 01/26/2007 12:49:23 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: babaloo

If a picture existed of Bill Clinton in drag it would have been posted on FR 100 times a day for the last ten years.

However, the problem is that the picture of Rudy in Drag will be highlighted in Hillary's campaign commercials.


40 posted on 01/26/2007 12:50:10 PM PST by trumandogz (Rudy G 2008: The "G" Stands For Gun Grabbing & Gay Lovin.)
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