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More politicians bowing to the ADM religion of Ethanol, which galls me to no end. All the fuel, fertilizer, and electricity needed to produce crappy ethanol will only make our food more expensive and enrich those who are building gov't subsidized ethanol plants around the country. The price of corn is already at $4 a bushel and if this mandate gets enacted, you can kiss the beef producers in the country goodbye. Already Argentina is gearing up their cattle production to meet the demand that will be created when we use all our corn for ethanol, which is an inferior fuel in almost every way, lower energy content, corrosive to the point of not being able to transport in pipelines, etc.

Once again the politicians take the easy way out, without considering the unintended consequences of their actions. When inflation heats up, steak is double what it is now, corn flakes are $6 a box, who will stand up and say they screwed up?

1 posted on 01/22/2007 7:53:26 AM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy

Ethanol from corn is not a food or fuel proposition - it's food AND fuel. One of the resulting products of the corn/ethanol process is...get this...are you ready? Animal feed. There goes one of your stupid hypotheses...


2 posted on 01/22/2007 7:56:43 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Liberals: First to demand tolerance, last to practice it when conservatives disagree with them.)
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To: milwguy

I wonder how many politicians in Washington ever took physics and chemistry.


3 posted on 01/22/2007 7:57:36 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: milwguy

Alternative fuel. A load of crap. It is a money-grubbing scheme to feed the makers of ethanol which would raise our costs across many fronts. A major cop-out to not stand up and DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR AMERICA which is to open up oil exploration and drilling.

Such political stupidity and such a sham upon Americans.


4 posted on 01/22/2007 7:58:27 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: milwguy
Bush what the Hell happened to nuclear power and drilling for oil here? The U.S. has tons of coal reserves, oil reserves off the coasts, and NUCLEAR POWER...Stop pandering to these envirowackos! They're not going to support you no matter what you do!
5 posted on 01/22/2007 8:00:58 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here)
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To: milwguy

I can't wait for the farm state politicians (Democrats) like Harkin from Iowa and Turbin Durbin from Illinois to start hearings about Big Corn and the steep rise in a box of Corn Flakes and Tortillas. I just can't wait for the round the clock coverage those would get too. It's going to be fun.


8 posted on 01/22/2007 8:01:21 AM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the Drive By Media are a Criminal Enterprise!!)
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To: milwguy

COAL and Nuclear. Anything else is just plain stupid.


9 posted on 01/22/2007 8:01:47 AM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: milwguy
1. Nuclear power plants. Many of them, and start building right now.

2. Biodeisel and hydrogen research.

That should do it.
11 posted on 01/22/2007 8:05:04 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Uncledave

ping


12 posted on 01/22/2007 8:07:13 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: milwguy

corn price is up,
from 2.40 to 4 bucks

the US was insane to export corn at 2.40

the upside, is that keeping a raghead alive a year
costs $1.00 more for Madrasssas

downside, red meat cost a dime more


13 posted on 01/22/2007 8:11:24 AM PST by greasepaint
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To: milwguy; All

Question to anyone who knows?

Does ethanol have to be produced from corn?

Is there a non-human consumable plant that might substitute for corn?
Thanks in advance.


17 posted on 01/22/2007 8:20:42 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: milwguy

Ethanol's likely impacts

1) Increase the price of corn
2) Farmers plant more corn, to the exclusion of soybeans. Soybean prices rise.
3) Farmers plant too much corn (someday, if you can predict when, there's a $1M+ bonus in it for you) and the bottom falls out of the market.
4) Ethanol reduces gas mileage so much that higher imports of oil are required.
5) Ecowackos on the coasts feel good about using ethanol, forming a major component of the Ethanol Lobby.
6) Farmers make lots more money planting corn because of all the ethanol subsidies. Big checks arive in the mail. Plains states farmers form a major component of the Ethanol Lobby.
7) Ethanol Lobby has control of virtually all Senators, since the Dem ecowackos on the Coasts are pressured to fund ethanol, and farm state Senators know a good cash flow when they see one.
8) Huge transfers of wealth from the coasts to the center of the continent occurs as corn is shipped from the center to the edges. Plains farm economies take off. Land prices rise. Farmers buy more new Case / Deere / Etc. equipment.
9) Food prices rise. Soybean and alfalfa displacement and corn consumption by ethanol increases the price of virtually all feed. Meat and Milk prices particularly rise. Ranchers harmed attempt to put more pasturage into corn.
10) Farmers plant corn on corn, elminating the bean cycle, reducing nitrogen in the soil, reducing crop output per acre. Soil quality suffers.
11) Marginal farmland goes into production. Farmers cut down windbreaks to free dirt for corn.
12) Pheasant populations explode, making hunting more productive and simultaneously more expensive, as what little cover that remains becomes highly valuable. Land prices rise in the Dakotas as East Coast wealth buys hunting preserves.
13) China experiences an increase in Soybean prices, since we don't plant as much and ship it to them cheap.
14) Brazil doubles down on soybeans, because they use cane for ethanol. There isn't an allowance for cross border shipment of ethanol, because it is essentially a protected industry in every country, throwing cash at farmers from the cities. Brazil becomes the soybean country, America becomes the corn country.
15) Commodity prices become highly volatile. Huge spring corn planting in the U.S. means nobody knows what the outcome will be for a price. Hedge funds start playing ethanol factories against farmers, and wide price swings occur until the crop is in and counted.

Endpoint: Ethanol is a foregone conclusion, politically. Billions of dollars are being bet all over the place as a result. Many bets will be huge payoffs, others will be busts. The only sure thing is that urban economies will be poorer, and rural economies will be wealthier.

Wish I owned a Deere dealership in the Dakotas.


20 posted on 01/22/2007 8:24:34 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Feingold - 2008 ... "Shut Up or Go To Prison")
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To: milwguy

I agree with you. They may as well call this the Farm Bill version 2.0, since this is nothing more than a sop to major agribusiness interests.


27 posted on 01/22/2007 8:37:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: milwguy
We need a ban on NIMBYism for energy producing projects of all kinds. If we set up a uniform set of regulations for each type of energy producer, covering safety, siting, emissions, and other impacts. Anybody who could raise private capital to build an energy project that met the guidelines for its type could build it, with NIMBY groups having no standing to oppose it. Your HOA could not object to solar cells on the roof of your home, and Greenpeace would not be able to stop a nuclear reactor.
33 posted on 01/22/2007 9:02:23 AM PST by BlazingArizona (co)
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To: milwguy
For that, Bush told a renewable fuels conference last year in St. Louis, "we need to change how we power our automobiles. ... I like the idea of promoting a fuel that relies upon our farmers."

I like the idea of relying on American technology and innovation. W never has liked our technology sector.

34 posted on 01/22/2007 9:21:19 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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