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Prices will fall, not plummet, at the pumps
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | January 20, 2007 | Madlen Reed (A.P.)

Posted on 01/20/2007 7:17:00 AM PST by Graybeard58

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To: fish hawk
Ouch.

Hopefully you don't have far to drive.

I wonder if a solar powered car would actually make sense in Hawaii. You seem to get enough sun shine and in your case I suspect the price has a lot to do with the shipping costs. IIRC Hawaii does not have a refinery and so your gas must be shipped to you ready to go.

61 posted on 01/20/2007 10:41:10 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: IronJack
It probably won't be.

To see if this one is different you would have to look back at it in about a month.

Ping me in a month and we will look at it.

62 posted on 01/20/2007 10:48:25 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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To: Graybeard58
that's savings of less than $8 in a month -- not even enough for that daily cup of coffee.

I don't know where this guy gets his coffee, but he's nutts to pay $8 for a cup of coffee. I can get the whole danged bag at Wal Mart for $6.87. Geeze, talk about misleading.

63 posted on 01/20/2007 10:52:23 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Marxis-Dimocrats stand for everything I hate and wish to see destroyed, including them!)
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To: Graybeard58

Most dealers in our area dropped to $1.99 9/10 today. But I paid $1.75 out on the fort.


64 posted on 01/20/2007 10:53:15 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Marxis-Dimocrats stand for everything I hate and wish to see destroyed, including them!)
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To: lkco

I plan on going to COSTCO tomorrow and I am guessing anywhere from $1.85 to $1.78


65 posted on 01/20/2007 10:58:57 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: lawdude

That is a minority opinion. The rest of us wish to believe the myth that gasoline only goes up in price and stays up and we will continue to parrot that revelation regardless of actual data.


66 posted on 01/20/2007 11:02:03 AM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: italianquaker; IronJack; bray
Um, that chart is pretty hard to argue, even if he did work for Exon. Now why don't you show some proof of gouging or apologize? You do understand capitalism and that old supply/demand model?

Would someone please provide a quantitative definition of price gouging so that we can all recognize it when it occurs?

67 posted on 01/20/2007 11:20:55 AM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile

Price Gouging is defined as a profit made by an evil Oil Company. As opposed to profits Apple makes on iPods.

Pray for W and Our Troops


68 posted on 01/20/2007 11:23:46 AM PST by bray (Redeploy to Iran)
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To: Graybeard58

As of today gas is now under two dollars a gallon in western Wisconsin (La Crosse). That's a drop of twenty cents a gallon in two weeks.


69 posted on 01/20/2007 12:04:23 PM PST by driftless2
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To: machman

Claire McCaskill, like many Democrat Senators, is an utter idiot who has zero grasp of economic realities, and her foolish statement underscores it. But worse, she signed up for the Democrat plan for higher energy taxes and prices. The House Democrats this week voted for billions in higher taxes in the energy sector. The net result will be less domestic energy production, which mean higher trade deficits, higher taxes and more money for the oil dictatorships.

These idiots are making our energy future less secure in their zeal for socking it to companies who provide a vital sevice to the economy. Their actions will hurt all of us a energy consumers and will hurt our energy independence. Thanks for nothing, Democrats!


70 posted on 01/20/2007 1:04:58 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: Logophile
Would someone please provide a quantitative definition of price gouging

That would be as difficult as providing such a definition for "cheating," "stealing," or "exploiting." But the inability to quantify the phenomenon doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that its dimension is qualitative.

71 posted on 01/20/2007 1:26:13 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
That would be as difficult as providing such a definition for "cheating," "stealing," or "exploiting." But the inability to quantify the phenomenon doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, just that its dimension is qualitative.

"Cheating" and "stealing" are not difficult to define. For instance, stealing is the unauthorized taking or use of something that does not belong to you.

In contrast, "price gouging" seems to mean nothing more than charging a price that is higher than someone else wants to pay.

72 posted on 01/20/2007 3:42:34 PM PST by Logophile
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To: Logophile
You didn't just ask for a definition. You asked for a quantifiable definition. I can provide the qualitative definition; Webster's already has. But I can't put a number on it, any more than you can put a number on "stealing" or "cheating."

Which doesn't mean that those offenses don't exist, or that they can't be egregious.

73 posted on 01/20/2007 3:51:43 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Lion Den Dan; the irate magistrate

Just filled up at the E'town Kroger. $1.79 with the Kroger card's $0.10 per gallon discount.


74 posted on 01/20/2007 3:56:27 PM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: Graybeard58

$1.95 per gallon in TX


75 posted on 01/20/2007 3:56:47 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: TheRightGuy

$2.37 today in Syracuse, NY


76 posted on 01/20/2007 4:04:32 PM PST by mccann
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; italianquaker

Actually, reviewing your chart actually shows him to be right, if the statement you're arguing about is that consumer price rises faster than it falls. The chart shows gas price rises almost directly corresponding with the crude price, but falls almost always smooth and slowly.

I don't mean to rain on your parade, HTB, but the conventional wisdom seems to be true based on this chart. In fact, this makes the gas stations look even worse, because as prices stabilize at a higher level, their margin compared to the barrel price would seem to similarly stabilize and drop. This chart doesn't seem to show that at all (note the gap between red and blue shrinking and widening, mostly as crude price drops). Only when crude's in freefall do gas prices seem to drop relative to crude.

Again, this is simply based upon the chart you posted. Historically, you might be 100% correct.


77 posted on 01/20/2007 7:19:05 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (When personal character isn't relevant to voters or party leaders, Foley happens.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Thank You but when the name calling began I cut off any more talk about it


78 posted on 01/20/2007 7:53:23 PM PST by italianquaker (Democrats its time to fish or cut bait, no more blaming Prez Bush.)
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To: Graybeard58

$1.99 today in Kirtland, Ohio.


79 posted on 01/20/2007 7:55:20 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: LibertarianInExile; italianquaker
Actually, reviewing your chart actually shows him to be right, if the statement you're arguing about is that consumer price rises faster than it falls.

Sorry but you might notice the spike began in 3/12 and prices rose for four periods before steadying out a bit.

However if you look straight across at the point where the red line appears at that point again in 8/15 you notice that it takes only three periods for the price to fall that same amount.

The price of gas fell in 75% of the time that it took to go up. Proving conclusively that prices do not rise faster then they fall.

but the conventional wisdom seems to be true based on this chart.

Actually it doesn't. In fact there are several places where there is a short spike in crude price that is not reflected in the gas prices. Consider for example the week of 4/17 where there is a small short spike in Crude but no corresponding spike in gas. Please point out ANY corresponding spike in gas that is not found in crude.

In fact, this makes the gas stations look even worse, because as prices stabilize at a higher level, their margin compared to the barrel price would seem to similarly stabilize and drop.

I am not sure what you are trying to imply here. Are you saying that as the price of crude rises that gas stations make less of a profit margin?

That might be true.

80 posted on 01/20/2007 8:14:30 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (We must have faith For when it is all said and done, Faith manages. And the impossible is achieved)
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