Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized giving aid and comfort to the enemy. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
Yes, I've said that many, many times. If the September 16, 2001 speech was a war message he could have had censorship, an Office of War Information, nationalization of critical production facilities, and as many ships and troops as he could imagine.
By now, Anbar province could have been paved with up-armored HUMVEEs 3 deep.
Damn uppity Brits. What do they think they are? A sovereign government that has to answer to its citizenry and not Washington DC?!?
What I am seeing are a lot of people who are either not thinking things through, or are democrat disruptors. No other choice is available.
Yes because if those of us who study history also don't see things just like you do must by definition be either stupid or democrat, of which I am neither. I'm glad if the President was an undergraduate history major. However, and this may come as a shock to the 'faithful', history extends past 1918. Your supposition is based solely on current events and doesn't take into evidence situations or emotions that have played out in the Middle East for hundreds of years. Nor, do I think, does it take into account what the Middle East has done for civilization as a whole in the past 3000 years (else some of 'us' wouldn't be talking about a peoples as practically subhuman ingrates)
Western nations come into the Middle East, make temporary changes that may last for a few decades, but eventually leave. The US may even be able to swing a democracy out of Iraq (although I doubt it will be long term). It has happened before and after we're dead and gone it will happen again. And over time the Middle East always reverts back to its standard. Foot stomping, cheering, and hoo-rahs won't change that. And pointing it out is not treasonous, defeatist, or anything else.
It just is.
I am amazed that people think these decisions are easy, or that the President is stupid, cowardly, or too PC.
The President is working with what he's got, which in reality isn't a lot when you think about it. He can decide what he wants but that's not going to change minds or long held feelings there. And in the end, that's what will win out.
That's exactly true. President Bush is 100% accountable for letting America slouch, right when the nation was ready to confront militant Islam head on. America was galvanized and ready for the call to battle.
Now he's upset because the nation seems lulled back to sleep? He was the one singing the "It's a Religion of Peace, so keep shopping, America" lullabye in the first place!
Place holder.
You said -- "It really IS the most important war since WWII."
You know..., I wasn't around during World War II, but my parents were. Even though both were deaf, they both worked in a bomber plant, helping in the war effort. In fact, my dad left school at the time, to help in the war effort. I also remember one of my former managers at work telling me about the war and rationing and the things that people were doing to help in that effort. Everyone was pitching in, as much as they could.
Now, having said that -- this current war in Iraq may be as important as World War II -- but the President, the Congress and the people *have not* put out anywhere near the amount of dedication and effort towards the war -- as was put out in World War II.
So, that brings up the question. Is it really as important as World War II was? And if so, why doesn't the President fight it like we did in World War II? Why doesn't the Congress? Why aren't the people going into munitions factories and bomber plants to work, and doing all sorts of things for the war effort? Where is the rationing because materials have to be used for the war? How come car plants are not shut down for several year and all the manufacturing being put into the war effort?
Well -- because -- it's *obvious* that it is not as important as World War II -- at least not to the President, not to the Congress and not to the people, at large.
It appears to only be that important to a few posters, it would seem.
Regards,
Star Traveler
P.S. -- To make it as important as World War II -- I would think we need a nuking of a city or two, in the U.S. That should do it. Obviously, 9/11 was not quite enough.
Here's an anecdote for you:
In November 2002 states were ordered to develop an implementation plan to vaccinate their entire population in 10 days agaist smallpox in the event of an attack. This was not just a "paper plan" since facilities had to be designated, incident command specified, etc, etc.
My location needed to designate two vaccination centers. One, a fieldhouse at a college, was easy. The other proved surprisingly difficult.
We finally proposed a large school . No good. Why? "Because we want the children to keep going to school". During a smallpox emergency so severe that we will do the whole population in 10 days. R-i-i-i-g-h-t.
The second choice was the mall. Lots of parking, big area under cover in winter. No good. Why? "We feel it is critical for people to keep shopping. If people stop shopping, the terrorists win". Shopping. During a smallpox emergency so severe that the whole population is being vaccinated. R-i-i-i-g-h-t.
When they talk about "war", it's just a metaphor. Like "war on inflation".
When a Republican administration and spokesman (Tony Snow) back and grant immunity to an illegal-alien drug dealer caught with over 700 lbs of marijuana over two federal agents, one has to wonder exactly what you are supporting.
>>>Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
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Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
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Amen!
I make up so many new words around friends and family that so much that they coined it Chrisisms.
I think Bush is way over his head. If he can't get a pardon together by now, I certainly think he is clueless. Nothing would firm up his declining popularity more than signing the pardon yesterday. He has no aptitude for political life. He signed McCain Feingold is another indication he has terrible advisors.
Of course it is.
What would you propose doing about it that would be consistent with Article I, section 6?
Yes because representative government didn't exist in Europe until 1918. Oh wait. I forgot about England for over 600 years, Switzerland's confederacy since the 1500s, Sweden since the 1700s, France's attempts over 120 years before. All some form of representative government. Germany's unification in 1871.....Sure. I mean Norway didn't unify until the 13th century!! But Europe was much like the Middle East. In what 'certain ways' do you mean? They both had people?
As to the Middle East's contributions to modern day.....Ha....the only real thing that they gave was an exodus of the best and brightest of its population.
Yes because we all know Islamic scientists contributed nothing, added nothing, or protected nothing of import between the fall of the Roman Empire and the Renaissance. Even though the list is actually quite long they really contributed nothing....Of course.
Maybe the region can be helped, and maybe not, but I ain't interested in having them steal any more of our technologies in order to kill more of us, and perhaps our children. Either the brutes in the Middle East will be tamed, or we shall go down. I prefer to take it to them with a sword, and swiftly
Damn right. Stealing our technologies. Cause we all know only 'muricans have the 'good' technology they can't possibly get them through trade from elsewhere. Them Muslims will act just like us because our system is the 'right' way for everyone. If they don't like it, we'll stick it to them. Hoo-rah!!
Campus-watch.org is doing a good job keeping an eye on the same ilk.
http://www.campus-watch.org/
Great point.
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