Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
Amen!
Where did you get that stat, that Iraq is 9% non Kurdish Sunni? I thought the numbers were more like 60% Shia, 25% Sunni Arab, and 15% Kurdish.
I support our troops and I believe they are a gift from God almighty.
That said, we have absolutely no interest in Iraq. No american interest was served by going there and none will be served by staying there.
We could just not allow anymore middle eastern immigration and that would help solve the problem more than going throughout the middle east and invading Iran or Syria. Saddam posed no threat to us. Plenty of third world countries have WMD. Are we going to invade them all?
We need tighter immigration - not worldwide invasions. Iraq served no American interest whatsoever. Al Qaeda had no relations with Saddam.
By all means, if we find out that a foreign government is giving weapons to terrorists designed to attack America, we should destroy their entire country. But, we cannot have wars where we go in and attack and then have to establish peace. That's not what our military is for.
Pick up a copy of "The American Conservative"
It's pretty easy to tell the difference. Most of the folks Jveritas is talking about were against the war in the first place (they feel it's OK for hostile countries to have a hijacking school or two) or they were for it but they got squishy very early.
Army Chief Warrant Officer Chris tells Iraq like it really is.
The Hugh Hewitt Show ^ | 1/18/07 | Chief Warrant Officer Chris / Hugh Hewitt
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1769986/posts
HH: Pleased to welcome Chief Warrant Officer Chris to the program. Chris has completed three tours in Iraq. Thank you for your service, Chris. What’s on your mind?
Chris. Thank you, sir. Well, I wanted to comment on your last, and a number of other callers. His first point, to keep the soldiers in the Green Zone, and your counter, keep them on other bases, not an option. As soldiers, we know that it’s not a safe job. If we wanted a safe job, we’d do a checkout at a grocery store or some similar job. We know it’s a dangerous job.
HH: Chris, can I interrupt you for a second?
Chris: Certainly.
HH: I just don’t want…don’t misunderstand me. I was dismissive of the second option as well. It will not work.
Chris: No, I understand you were.
HH: Okay, go ahead.
Chris: But we know it’s a dangerous job. That’s what we do. It’s our job.
HH: Okay.
Chris: Number two, his separation idea really…it’s ludicrous, not to be mean to him or anything. But in a lot of instances, well, as you pointed out, number one, is the diversity of the city, but number two, there’s a lot of relations, marriages, between Sunni and Shia, Kurd and Sunni, Kurd and Shia, interrelations between the different groups. So that would be another reason that you could not take that option.
HH: Yup. That’s well put. There are many Shia-Sunni marriages, are there not?
Chris: Oh, there absolutely are.
HH: And Baghdad itself is a network of warrens that sometimes overlap, but are often…you just can’t separate them.
Chris: It’s impossible to separate them. It quite literally is impossible.
HH: All right.
Chris: And in most instances, those people get along quite well.
HH: Yup.
Chris: But we don’t see it in mainstream media, because it’s not popular, it doesn’t sell news. So those are the things that would like to be seen more by us. Another thing, two of my tours were in Baghdad, one was up in Tal Afar, up in north..west of Mosul. And…
HH: Were you there with Colonel McMaster?
Chris: I certainly was, with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment. Col. McMaster, just a brilliant guy.
HH: You guys have set the standard from which a lot of this is pivoting. My hat’s off to you. Tell people what happened in Tal Afar, and you Col. McMaster is.
Chris: Col. McMaster originally became known to the public as a hero in the first Gulf War, when his battalion defeated an entire Iraqi Army brigade, tank brigade. He’s gone on to write a book, he’s contemplating another book, based on our experiences in Tal Afar. What happened in Tal Afar was we were…we inherited that problem after we got to Iraq. We initially were in Southern Iraq, we got there, the command decided you know what? We can better utilize you up north, because Tal Afar’s a huge problem, primarily Kurd and Sunni, however there was a lot of Shia being moved up there, increasing the ethnic strife between the different groups. Col. McMaster came in and number one, he realized before we even left the States that in order to resolve the issues in Iraq, we had to train the Iraqis. So he put his focus, his main focus, on training the military and the police forces within the Tal Afar area, primarily, and embedding his forces with those Iraqi forces, living with them, sleeping with them, eating with them. We were side by side with the Iraqis. And those guys, after Col. McMaster’s emphasis, became almost as good as American troops. I say almost as good, because I am a little biased, but I think we’ve got the best troops in the military anywhere in the world.
HH: But after you departed, did they not maintain the peace, more or less, in Tal Afar?
Chris: After we departed, and once again, based…he’s a brilliant guy, I can’t say enough good things about him. Because he had pumped a lot of money into training, recruiting and building up the infrastructure in that area, so that it was able to number one, get a foothold for security, and then because of the infrastructure he had built, to maintain that security within the region. And it’s still extremely safe, extremely secure, and the 3rd Iraqi Army division is in control of that area, and they’ve taken over from the Americans for the responsibility of the security in that area.
HH: Now I’m talking with Chief Warrant Officer Chris. Which branch are you in? Are you in the Army then, Chris?
Chris: I’m an Army intel officer.
HH: All right. Let me ask you this. This is sort of an emotional reaction. Do you like the Iraqi people?
Chris: I love the Iraqi people.
HH: When you hear people talk about withdrawing and let the chips fall, does that strike you…
Chris: It infuriates me.
HH: Tell me why.
Chris: Because just as in America, Iraq has their bad seeds, their bad eggs, whatever you want to call them. But it’s a minority. It’s a very small percentage, but just like anywhere else, that very small percentage makes the most noise, and therefore, they’re the most noticeable. Most of the Iraqi people that I’ve dealt with would give you the shirt off their back if you ask for it, not even needed it, not wanted it. If you just ask for it, it’s yours. You show interest in something of theirs, it’s yours. They’re very giving, they’re very kind, they’re very smart, and they just, just like us, they want a chance. I’m biased, because I have spent one heck of a lot of time with the Iraqi people. And by and large, they are one heck of a good group of people.
HH: Warrant Officer Chris, we’ve got about a minute left. Can we win there?
Chris: We can, but it’s going to take some resolve, and we know…like I said from the beginning, we know it’s a dangerous job, but we accept it. There’s going to be deaths. We know that. Everyone in the military, just about, knows someone that’s been killed over there. But it’s a volunteer army. We can do it, we can…it won’t be easy, it won’t be quick. But with support from the American people, we can do it.
HH: Chris, I think you’ve done more in the media war than 20 other guests, and I appreciate it. I hope you’ll send me an e-mail, hugh@hughhewitt.com, on how I can send you a note and stay and touch, as well as contact info for Col. McMaster, as I would love to have him on the program as well.
Chris: I’d be happy to.
HH: Hats off to you, thanks for your service, sir.
Chris: Good talking to you.
HH: I’ll be right back, America. You know, there are tens of thousands of Chris’. Not often do they get through, or are as articulate, or as energized as Chris, but they exist, they are real. Listen to them. Listen to them.
End of call.
That said, we have absolutely no interest in Iraq. No american interest was served by going there and none will be served by staying there.
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
Martin Luther King Jr.
LOL....... that's great.
Jay Severin is a radio talk show host in Boston on 96.9 FM
He shares the same opinion as you and look what the left is doing to him.
http://nhindymedia.org/newswire/display/629/index.php
Turning the tables on talk radio.
With just a little technique and acting ability we can turn the tables on neocon talk radio, severly underminig Bush.
With a little technique we can make these right wing talk radio shows work for us. And further erode support for Bush among rightwingers.
WTTK 96.9 FM Talk radio is part of the far right wing talk radio movement. They rely on people like Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Bill O’reilly, Imus, and the arch psycho Jay Severin. They broadcast in the Boston Southern New England area.
Jay Severin is a far right wing Pat Buchanan styled talk radio host with a lawyers approach. J Severin is an ex political advisor and worked on the Buchanan presidential campaign, and advised Sharon on his campaign in Israel, enough said. As of late a group of us have had much success turning Severin’s show against him and the neo-con religious right wing movement.
POINTERS:
1) (617) 822-1969
Call for Severin’s show early (it comes on the air around 3pm) Airs from 3pm to 7pm weekdays.
2) His producer and call screener is named Jeremy so be polite tell him where you are calling from make up a city, town, university, or say you are calling from your car. Use a cell phone or block caller id function, so you may repeat call from the same phone!!
3) Call him Jay as in the letter J.
4) Compliment him (huge ego)
“Jay I love your show I have been listening since (ex. “You first came on the air in 1999”, or “the 2000 election”, or “Sept 2001”) “ he will eat this up.
5) Compliment his audience (he calls the audience “the best and brightest”)
“The best and brightest must be the greatest audience in (“New England”, or “this time slot”, or "the East Coast” , or “all of talk-radio” or “the United States”, or “the world”) again appeal to his ego and throw him off guard.
6) Severin is heavily into the following things. Dogs, Kayaking, rock climbing, politics, mountain biking,
skiing. He loves to vacation and do these things in Aspen and other similar places. He lives at the East end of Long Island and loves the ocean and old New England coastal charm. So talk these things up.
7) Severin is very critical of the war in Iraq as it stands but supports the reasons for going. Severin also claims to be a constitutionalist.
So say something like
“Jay I supported going to war but Bush is now carrying out an unconstitutional war and needlessly placing our troops in harms way. I think Bush’s conduct of the war in Iraq is a war crime against our own troops and I believe impeachment of Bush is necessary. He wont get my vote again!”
8) Severin loves to ask yes or no questions like a lawyer and if you don’t answer yes or no he will attack you and hang up.
9) So turn the tables and ask question like. “Jay do you believe there are any parallels between the war in Iraq and the Vietnam war.” He must answer yes to this.
Point!! Severin was a huge anti war protester during Vietnam so appeal to the arguments of his day.
“Jay we have been fighting in Iraq for over a year now and have not found any weapons of mass destruction. Is it fair to say Bush has lost credibility.” Again he must agree.
“Jay I have to admit that Dick Clarke made some excellent points while testifying before the 911 commission, would you agree?” (he may ask you to make the points again so be prepared)
“Read an interview with a recently returned soldier and just live it out yourself. If put on the spot just make claims. But know some small towns in Iraq that most people wouldn’t know. Of course know your military unit history. And you can always say you don’t want to be too specific for security/personnel reasons. Look at an atlas of Iraq first or while calling.”
“If the Bush administration lied about 911 and weapons of mass destruction why should we believe them now?” (again be prepared to point out all the lies)
“Jay if George Bush really wants to make us safer then why has he and Dick Chenney stonewalled the bipartisan 911 commission?”
“Now that Haliburton has been exposed for its corruption and profiteering from the Iraq war wouldn’t it be appropriate for Dich Chenney to step down? After all Chenney is closely linked to Haliburton and this gives an appearance of conflict of interest”
“Jay I supported the war at first and I believed the president. But now I feel betrayed by this president and administration. Why should my only son/daughter be sacrificed for an unconstitutional war that is gauranteed to end in failure?!!”
Big point!! Claim to have a son, daughter, brother, sister, cousin, parent any loved one in harms way in Iraq and get emotional. He will side with you and eat this up. Be vague but know something about the military unit they are in or listeners will out you, you can always claim not to know the details of military life other than camouflage, short hair, and one weekend a month and two weeks in the summer.
Young women with a giggle and some flirtatious conversation will stay on the air longer and will get on the air sooner.
Big point!! He loves to believe he is attractive to young women…. He is hideous. But think Collin Ferell so you can pull this off.
10) Again turn the tables on Severin ask for his solution.
“Jay hi I am a long time listener. I have been listening since November 2000. I want to come to one of your live shows to see you in person (tee-heee). When and where is your next live broadcast?
Jay the reason I called is my ___(insert favorite person may be fictional)__ is _ (in, or getting ready to go to) Iraq, and I am sooo scared! He/she does not have body armor they say there isn’t enough body armor right now and the HUMVEES they drive are not armored either.”
“How can Bush possibly send my __ (insert favorite person)___ to a war that we now know was founded on faulty intelligence, without proper equipment, to die for Iraqi freedom? Then expect my vote in November? I voted for Bush in 2000 but I think I will vote for Kerry or sit out this coming election.”
Simply pick up a newspaper or go online and figure out what units are either deployed to Iraq or heading there. Don’t make the mistake of calling an Army unit a Marine or visa versa. If you do make such a mistake just say you are nervous he will buy this explanation and give you instructions to take a deep breath.
Of course the longwinded egomaniac J Severin will mix in a lot of his own stupid words. But a call like the above proposed call will go over very well. It will undermine Bush, and Severin’s own right wing neo-con agenda. Good luck!!
Ps don’t listen to the show just call and fire away. Listening may make you too angry to keep your story
strait. Remember this is the most listened to radio program in New England and reaches 4 or 5 different
states. With a listening audience around 2 million daily so even one successful gorilla call a week makes a
difference. Get dialing. (617) 822-1969 Call often and from anywhere.
Just because a leftist says it does not make it untrue, ESPECIALLY in regards to foreign policy. Foreign policy should not be this partisan fiasco it's become. It should be rational and in terms of the best interest of the U.S.
Perhaps it was, but you were the clever one, who made it funnier. Thank you. :-)
Rational reasons must be offered to defend our actions in Iraq. Now that we know Al-Qaeda had no relations with Saddam, Saddam posed no imminent threat to American interests, and we are not the world's democracy policeman, why the hell did we go?
If we actually got attacked or we discovered plans that indicated we would be attacked, I'd support it. But, no such evidence was presented.
This constant "you're unpatriotic" or "you sound like a liberal" drone is indicative of a lack of information and argument.
The American Conservative eloquently states an intelligent anti-war message.
Fair point. Remembered numbers, and as I look back at them (in the CIA factbook) I see misremembered: 65% Shia, 32% Sunni, 3% Christian and other.
As I reflect a moment on this, I recall where the full number I used came from.
Follow me here, because it's not crazy. It fits into my view of what the war really is.
Of the 32% that are Sunni, 15% are Kurds, which means that 17% are Sunni Arab. Now, I have read articles that the population of Sunni Arabs has declined by 1% since the war started (mostly due to emigration), but here was the key thing that stirred the 9% figure:
We are in the Arab world here. MALES are the issue. Sunni Arab WOMEN are not planting bombs, blowing people up, etc.
It's the men that are the problem, specifically the military age males from about 15 to about 65. And THAT works out to be about 9% of the population, roughly. THAT is the herd we need to thin. Thin out the military age males, and you will bring peace. If there were a peaceful way to do that without wreaking hell, well then that would be great.
There isn't, so women and children end up suffering and dying too. Unfortunately. Arabs don't put their women out there to fight. They don't LET them fight.
If we were talking Tennessee, then 18% of the population really is 18%. But we're talking the middle east, Islamist, male-dominated. 18% of the population MEANS 9%, maximum, potential combattants, and really less than that.
The women are hors combat.
The males are the problem.
Still, that's not a legitimate move to make without EXPLAINING it, and not only didn't I EXPLAIN it, I actually remembered my 9% figure and applied it to the whole population of Sunni Arabs. That is a significant error.
To win, we need to let the Shi'ite males go in there and kill a lot of Sunni Arab males, and in the process drive about 18% of the population out...or cause the Sunni Arab males to fold their hand when the pain for their dependents gets too great.
Anyway, it's 2 AM. Gotta go. It's been interesting.
I agree with you that doing what I suggest is immoral.
We're where we are because we DIDN'T use massive, overwhelming force at the start. We went light. It got away from us, and not politics in the US prevents us from going heavy. It's a complete catastrophe, really.
In the face of this, my firm conviction for all future actions is this: if there is not a formal declaration of war by Congress, I oppose military operations. Period.
Without that declaration, we can't dust off the World War II precedents and go for the jugular. And we end up in duck soup. Duck soup prolongs war and kills a lot of people (maims more). Very bad.
Losing is devastating.
If we actually got attacked or we discovered plans that indicated we would be attacked, I'd support it. But, no such evidence was presented.
We were in a state of war, and the ceasefire had been breached. There were good reasons to attack. The timing was wrong.
But you see, we are in. The only choices are victory or defeat. Since you undermine victory, you end up supporting defeat.
I couldn't agree with you more.
...and none will be served by staying there.
And I could not disagree with that sentiment more. If we leave now, Iraq will turn into a terror state, Iran will be emboldened and America's enemies will be put on notice that we are indeed the "paper tiger" that Bin Laden perceived we are.
There is a world of difference between opposing tactics or policies and calling for American surrender. Roosevelt understood this. He never protected those who wanted the US withdraw once we were at war with Germany.
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