Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
You said -- "Essentially then you have given up on civilization. On nations acting in concert and with just war force. Your answer for jihad is jihad."
Yes, during WWII we "gave up on civilization" in order to save it. We fire-bombed Dresden into flames, we burned Tokyo as much as we could, we flattened two Japanese cities of civilians with our atomic bombs (the only ones ever used to kill civilians to this day). We absolutely slaughtered people (civilians) in order to win the war and win it quickly. That's history, and we did it.
In this country, we quit making cars for several years turning them into military factories, we rationed things to the public, we put people to work specifically making things for the war, we had people *forgo* normal lives (as they knew before the war) in order to win the war.
So, yes, during times of true war, we do give up on civilization, in order to gain it back once again.
And unless we do that again, here and now, with the evil political idealogy of Islam, we will lose our civilization instead of trying to save it with some false ideas a "gentleman's war" (which the Islamic hoards care nothing about).
Regards,
Star Traveler
Well, it sure is easy reading and writing stuff that everyone agrees with. But if that's all we did, it would be quite boring. I like an occasional debate. If someone posts a liberal argument, most of us pounce on him. But that's a good thing.
You said -- "You just outed yourself....defeatist."
And I suppose that means that you've outed yourself, as an Osama-weanie...
Regards,
Star Traveler
"I also hope that if it is else, the US hangs around to effect a "just" partition."
There's not going to be a partition (Divided Iraq).
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For the life of me, I cannot understand when this started happening around here; it's truly amazing.
That reply makes NO sense at all. You're being ridiculous!
The replies get more ridiculous by the day.
The only thing I can figure is that we've been invaded by a bunch of uneducated, ill-informed StormFronters.
We've been invaded by them, Dem plants, and things I would get banned for saying on a thread.
The enemy's strategy is aimed squarely at our political process and providing political opportunities for those willing to run off and let them win. It worked in Algeria and it is working now.
Realism is not defeatism, it is simply refusing to shut one's eyes. Iran is winning and driving world events, the US is reactive and defensive. The gross discrepancy in our favor in real power terms is irrelevant if none of our leaders will use it, and they won't.
It's a known fact Putin's Russia continues arming Iran & Syria with the means to wage war. Syria and Iran are responsible for infiltrating jihadist killers into Iraq who in turn murder American and other Coalition troops, however there are few arch defenders of Putin on FR, which is tantamount to giving aid & comfort to the weapons supplying enemy behind our enemies.
I will support our troops no matter what....
and
I will remain a conservative until I die.
But Bush and Crowd have betrayed solid republican values in ways that don't have anything to do with the war on terror. (Buts thats a whole 'nother topic)
If I had been president, would I have gone into Afganistan and Iraq....no.
Why not....?
The Truth is, we are fighting a religion called Islam.
No one, not even the President wants to admit that....which really puzzles me.
Why is it that GOOD Muslims are radical and are carrying their Jihad to the west while "bad" (moderate?) or milquetoast muslims are marginalized and ineffective.
I think that Political Correctness is getting more Americans killed and will continue to do so.
There is only one solution to "terror". Advise Syria, Iran, and any other country that is actively supporting terror that they will suffer the consequences if there are any more attacks.....but this being a public forum I cannot go into more details of the "Final Solution" with Islam and as a Christian I have Faith that God is really in control and that He will use the evil of Islam for His Own Good Purposes.
I wish that the solutions to the worlds problems and those that we discuss here had political solutions....but alas that is the Big Lie....the real solutions to the world's problems are found in God and His Word.
How about Dem Bears?
It's DA Bears and they didn't do all that well.
My union (when I was still working, I'm now retired) the AFL-CIO was against the war from Day One. I remember our union steward being vocal about this. In the last election, they conducted a massive get-out-the-vote effort that was very effective in my state of PA in turning Republicans out of office. I even got a mailing from them, and I'm retired and no longer paying union dues.
I hate football, so it all hardly registered.
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