Posted on 01/11/2007 12:57:52 PM PST by goodnesswins
The social-service industry thinks otherwise. One of its principal lobbies, the Children's Alliance, paid a visit to The Seattle Times the other day to promote its proposals for the Legislature — a Legislature likely to be favorable. One of the group's proposals was that the state should pay for a free lunch to kids from families in the $26,000-to-$37,000 income bracket for a family of four. These kids have been offered a lunch that is reduced in price but not free.
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Funny thing is that the kids hate this Cr*p they cook. A waste of money that ends up in the garbage. How many elite libs would eat this swill?
From what I've heard, pretty good.
For some reason, pretzel sticks are highly valued also.
pingy for WA state
I'm so happy you are great in math, however, it is obvious you lack some skills in English. I went to a public school and I learned that "successful" is spelled this way. Shall I point out the other grammatical errors? Perhaps you could COUNT them yourself.
Oh, but they will, Jen! They won't get to enjoy the benefits of being hounded by bullies, ridiculed by cliques, pressured into sex, exposed to drugs, tempted to binge drink, or otherwise subjected to incredible pressure to conform to a mediocre-at-best status quo.
And just think of all the colorful language they won't have the opportunity to learn. By way of compensation, you can teach them to curse in Latin. =]
In our house, it'll be Japanse they learn to curse in. Unfortunately that language does not have very strong curse words.
Honestly, and I'm sure I sound naive, I didn't know what pot smelled like until I was 21 and deduced that that was what the neighbor's apartment must be smelling of. I didn't drink until I was legal age (well, a couple half glasses of wine at home in the six months prior as my mom taught me some about wine). My husband was the first (and of course only) man I kissed let alone slept with and I didn't even get married until I was 23 so how's that for undersocialized?
I work in a field that has a higher than average, I believe, number of homeschooling parents. Engineer types seem to be more likely than the usual to homeschool. Probably because A. they can support a family and B. they remember being picked on, not taught anything, and generally loathing school. Regardless it's nice for the reaction to "I (am) was homeschooled" to have gone in my experience from "Is that legal" to "my crazy cousin does that" to "A family at church does that" to "Yeah, we're doing that".
These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. (NIV)
Consequently, Sproul would say that our purpose as Christian homeschoolers is not to produce a world-class scholar, nor an overachieving athlete, but a Godly person.
That we can do that and in the process produce children who, academically, stand head-and-shoulders above the majority of their public-schooled counterparts is a happy fringe benefit.
"I wonder why increasingly more people are doing it." There are many reasons not all of them good. My first encounter with it was through Leftist political organizations back in the sixties. Then there were the communes, religious communities, people motivated by ideals of various sorts.
Your sarcasm was neither amusing nor did it address any of the issues I have raised.
There are many indications of home schooling successes. This is a self-selecting success since those knowing they cannot do it DON'T. Howevere, there are also those who think they can and cannot. Like many private endeavors it does not address public needs which is not what it is intended to do in any case.
MAYBE? LoL.
Those who breed indiscriminately with whatever man is available are not going to produce scholars no matter what school system is used. However, such social disasters are what public schools MUST face.
The answer to much that is in question.
I'll bet Grannie could have just waltzed into the Advanced Physics class at the local high school and run those kids thru
the calculus used there too.
Come on, get serious, there is nothing required to teach reading to third graders but a love of children, patience and persistence. Reading should be fun and is not hard to make it so.
Your examples are hardly convincing arguments against my statements.
So a tiny minority such as you and your husband represent are to be considered typical? Perhaps you can show me where I said homeschooling could NOT work for anyone or even many? I never did. One thing that I HAVE said though is that much of its success is due to parental involvement which is also the thing correlated with student success in public schooling.
Much is made here of the statistical successs of HS kids visa ve public school kids. But they are comparing apples and oranges since they are comparing kids whos families are absolute disasters and creators of social chaos with those of stable, loving, well intended parents.
And I haven't even gotten into the Opportunity Costs aspects of widespread HSing.
"It's quite baseless to dismiss all homeschooling as ineffective," I agree and have not done that.
"...just as it is baseless to dismiss all public schooling as ineffective." That is commonplace on FR unfortunately.
"If you actually believe that most people who are homeschooling 'shouldn't' be doing so (your word), that's astounding." I believe I have said "many" not most. But I know my parents could NOT have given its large size and my mom's working 16-18 hours a day simply washing, cooking, cleaning and running her household and my Dad's working 10-12 hrs a day six and half days a week.
There has never been any doubt that some parents are capable of providing excellent educations I simply do not believe them to be all that numerous.
Few Education majors become math teachers. They are valuable commodities and hard to find.
Some fields of education require no real math in any case. And we haven't even begun to speak of the field of Education and it weaknesses.
I have expressed my opinions in my own words and thoughts not those of some "link" or other. Discussions through dueling links are not what I do. Much of those of that type never get down to discussing individual points or thoughts. So it there is some thought or claim your wish to dispute or to be clarified I will try and do so. Or bid you "Good Day".
I graduated in '64 and do not deny my experience being unique.
While I didn't know it at the time my educational experience was wonderful. My graduating class is still close and most praise our teachers and educational experience there. There are loads of terrific memories from that time.
Congratulations on your successful family.
"The decline has been a steady trend." That is simply false.
Chicago has many great schools and is surrounded by suburds which have terrific schools. And they teach more advance subjects than ever.
Most of the problems at the others are the result of Social problems rather than educational failures per se.
Those studies, like most others, rarely stand up to expert statistical analysis. And would suffer from the problem of comparing disparate populations in any case.
Just standardizing scores of students from two parent families
in the public schools and comparing them to HS students would eliminate most or all the differential. Comparing them to the top public schools would likely not be favorable to HSers.
I refused to allow my kids to use calculators. "But dad we can use them in class." "Too bad."
Hey I loved spelling bees.
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