Posted on 01/04/2007 6:42:47 PM PST by Aliska
Social Security Agreement with Mexico Released After 3-1/2 Year Freedom of Information Act Battle
January 4, 2007 (Washington, DC) – After numerous refusals over three and a half years, the Social Security Administration (SSA) has released the first known public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement. The government made the disclosure in response to lawsuits filed under the Freedom of Information Act by TREA Senior Citizens League, a 1.2 million member nonpartisan seniors advocacy group.
The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.
(Excerpt) Read more at tscl.org ...
The Totalization Agreement can be downloaded in .pdf format, and I haven't taken the time to plow through all this but thought freepers might want to know about it.
There was something about it on WND, then by today, several of the mainstream papers had picked it up, don't recall which ones.
If freepers think it worthwhile, please get some discussion going about it; I simply don't have the time nor the energy to delve into the nuts and bolts of it.
We have talked about the totalization agreement here at FR in the past so it isn't a big surprise.
That figure seems low... I would be asked for 5 forms of ID and a DNA test before I could collect SS benefits.
O'rly?
WTF?
This is treasonous.
If they are illegal how could they use a SS number for work?? Or if they did who's number was it, and how can they prove how much they put in.
#8, I'm gonna get sick.
Is Bush desperately trying to set a new time record in destroying and bankrupting our country?
No one will agree but my solution to solving this and other illegal immigration problems would be to grant duel citizenship(Mexican citizenship/American citizenship) to all U.S. and Mexican residents. They could move up here but we could move down there. Mexico could become a super California. We could be build subdivisions, retirement communities, golf courses, malls, factories and American restaurants. We could create enough good jobs down there that there would be no need for the poor Mexicans to swim the river. I know this is a pipe dream now but there is evidence the U.S. government is moving in this direction.
I'm sorry I didn't see any discussion on this, I check daily, sometimes several times a day, but today was the first I'd heard of it.
I hate to rush to judgement when I don't have the time to wrestle with it, but it did not sound right at all.
Thank you for posting the link to the Washington Times article.
One other bit of information mentioned was that in Mexico, people only draw social security until they have recouped all they have paid in. In the US, of course, if you are eligible, and some people never are (a small minority, and not those who live being paid under the table, but a few who never paid in enough to qualify, it almost happened to me), you collect until you die.
I've been wondering about prescriptions for seniors. I was willing to pay my own way if I can, but now I'm on medicare. I asked my son where are the medicines for seniors paid for by the government? The insurance supplement you sold me pays all or part of them, and I have to pay for that. "Oh, that's how it works. You have to buy a supplement and the government pays the insurance companies." (I happened to look at what else was on the website, and it is true that for me, the cost of living increase is being eaten up by the extra premium for my supplement which is deducted from my monthly ss). But that's just an aside. The major topic here sounds more threatening to the health of the fund.
Too much information to sort through! I thought I was for amnesty under certain limited conditions or a guest worker program, but now I think something is going on behind the scenes that is not in the interest of we the people.
More treason...
FAct #1 - Illegals have no account with SS. IF any SS taxes were paid by them (their employer) it was under a false or stolen SS number.
Fact #2 - If I lie to receive SS benefits, I go to jail, and for certain never receive those benefits
Fact #3 - Who's account will be robbed to pay these criminals?
I personally want an investigation opened into those who pushed for this "deal" (not a deal for US taxpayers).
IF anything should be done other than keeping the funds in the system to keep it solvent, then it should be used to pay some of the infrastructure costs and other costs to society by these illegals.
The Washington Times is excerpt only. Please don't post full articles from the Washington Times.
Thanks,
AM
An "Agreement" seems to imply that a mutually-compatible deal was reached, each side giving up something in exchange for something. So I have a simple question: in exchange for giving our tax money to some Mexican citizens, what did we receive?
Another thing that came up. They were talking about a US citizen who stole somebody's social security number. He got a 25-year jail sentence. If an illegal does it, the worst that can happen is that he/she gets sent back to Mexico and can slip right back over the border, a little harder now, but they're always one step ahead of the curve.
Sorry I don't have a source about the id theft.
Something is definitely rotten here. I hate to get too embroiled about illegals because part of me gets angry and the other part of me is a little sympathetic to some of them, knowing I'd do the same thing if I had to for my family and could. Otherwise I wouldn't do it just for myself I don't think. But it is still illegal.
We received in theory 20 Million new depositors of Social Security, aka illegals. This is the solution to our SS problem according to the politicians.
You know the pharmaceutical companies give away medications based on need. One of my friends sells cancer drugs and told me about it. I got this from the MI atty general website
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LEGITIMATE FREE DRUG RESOURCES
If you cannot afford prescription drugs, you do not have to pay for information about patient assistance programs that provide free drugs to those who qualify. There are free resources available.
Ask your doctor or other health care provider about free drug programs. Your doctor's office may have information or can explain how you can get information.
Consumers may also contact the Partnership for Prescription Assistance (PPA). PPA is a partnership of drug companies, doctors, health care providers, patient advocacy organizations, and community groups who have combined their resources to help qualifying uninsured consumers get free medicine from various public and private patient assistance programs. PPA is a one-stop shopping concept that offers consumers access to more than 275 public and private patient assistance programs, including more than 150 programs offered by pharmaceutical companies.
To contact PPA, consumers may call toll free 1-888-477-2669, or visit the PPA Web site at www.pparx.org.
More Mexicans
They have more jobs and resources there than most countries. Every thing from VW to Sony.
Most of these folks prefer a very limited education.
I live in San Diego. I see it here with them.
Tens of thousands of illegals here.
Go to the Aztlan web site. you will see why there are coming here.
Not only free money, housing, etc. but it becomes more of them than Americans. Many will tel you what their bottom line is.
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