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Gen. Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military
Newsmax.com ^ | January 2, 2007 | Newsmax.com staff

Posted on 01/02/2007 4:12:33 PM PST by RetiredArmy

General Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military

The Army general who was Joint Chiefs chairman when the Pentagon adopted its "don't ask, don't tell" policy on gays says he no longer opposes allowing them to serve openly.

John Shalikashvili, who retired in 1997 after four years as the nation's top military officer, had argued that allowing homosexuals to serve openly would hurt troop morale and recruitment and undermine the cohesion of combat units. He said he has changed his mind after meeting with gay servicemen.

"These conversations showed me just how much the military has changed, and that gays and lesbians can be accepted by their peers," Shalikashvili wrote in an opinion piece in Tuesday's New York Times.

His view could carry weight at a time when advocates of lifting the restriction on gay service members argue that the military - under the strain of fighting two wars - can ill-afford to exclude any qualified volunteers. It's not clear, however, how much enthusiasm Congress will have for pressing the matter. The current policy, based on legislation passed by Congress in 1993 after a firestorm of debate, states that gays and lesbians may serve in the military only if they keep their sexual orientation private.

Commanders may not ask, and gay service members may not tell. Over the years thousands have been dismissed under this policy.

Shalikashvili is not the first former senior military officer to change his mind about gays in the military, though he is perhaps the most prominent. John Hutson, a retired two-star Navy admiral who was the Navy's top lawyer, said Tuesday he thinks the nation has undergone so much cultural change over the past decade that allowing gays to serve openly in the military would enhance rather than weaken the cohesion of fighting units.

"I think it will absolutely happen," Hutson said in a telephone interview, but probably not during the Bush administration.

Shalikashvili said he expects fierce debate over gays in the military this year as Congress considers President Bush's call for expanding the size of the Army, which is stretched thin by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Shalikashvili cautioned, however, against pushing for repeal of the ban early in the new Congress, which he said should be focused on urgent priorities like developing a better strategy in Iraq and healing divisions over the war.

"Fighting early in this Congress to lift the ban on openly gay service members is not likely to add to that healing and it risks alienating people whose support is needed to get this country on the right track," he wrote in the Times article.

In explaining his shift on the issue, Shalikashvili also cited a new Zogby poll, commissioned by the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California at Santa Barbara, of 545 U.S. troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It reported that three quarters said they were comfortable around gay men and lesbians.

The poll, published in December, also said 37 percent opposed allowing gays to serve openly, while 26 percent said they should be allowed and 37 percent were unsure or neutral. Of those who said they were certain that a member of their unit was gay or lesbian, two-thirds did not believe it hurt morale.

C. Dixon Osburn, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, an advocate for gay rights, called Shalikashvili's article "enormously significant." Osburn said it reflects a growing trend of military leaders supporting repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: fagsinfoxholes; gays; homosexualagenda; military; perverts; pervertsinportholes
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To: xzins; cardinal4
When I was on active duty back during the Paleozoic (60-63), I was in the US Air Force Security Service. The guys who qualified for language training were generally brighter than we knuckle-dragging Morse operators, and the stories going 'round all said that there was a higher incidence of gay airmen in that discipline than in any other. I don't know if there is empirical data to support that hypothesis.

There was a story going 'round a year or two ago about a section of soldiers who were attending the Arabic language course out at Dillywick (Defense Language Institute, West Coast-DLIWC). When it "came out" that they were gay, they were separated from the Army. It seemed to me then as now that that was a terrible waste of some badly-needed resources when we are in a fight for our lives. I hope some relevant civilian agency picked them us.

102 posted on 01/02/2007 8:16:44 PM PST by Ax
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To: Candor7

:) LOL


103 posted on 01/02/2007 8:27:34 PM PST by Liberal Bob
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To: Doohickey
"He was the worst CJCS of my tenure in the military."

Here, here!

In 25 years on active duty I've never seen worse leadership by the CJCS. He was an absolute 'spaz.' Think of the personnel turmoil of the mid '90s. It was like all the manpower decisions were being made by throwing darts...blindfolded.
104 posted on 01/02/2007 8:32:36 PM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: EveningStar

"Countries that allow homosexuals to serve openly in the military:"

Now tell us which of that list of countries could hope to successfully defend itself against attack from a major power?


105 posted on 01/02/2007 8:34:25 PM PST by RavenATB (Patton was right...)
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To: MSF BU
I agree. That is fine by me.

How to get there? Don't vote for RINOs?

106 posted on 01/02/2007 8:34:28 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: EveningStar

And does one of those countries have an effective military?


107 posted on 01/02/2007 9:17:28 PM PST by Essie
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To: ishabibble

He's laying the groundwork for an appointment to a high position in the 'next Clinton' administration.


110 posted on 01/02/2007 9:36:06 PM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: RetiredArmy

"Gen. Shalikashvili: Let Gays Serve in Military"

He served. So I guess gays do serve. And even become Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff.

What the MSM fail to report.


111 posted on 01/02/2007 9:45:37 PM PST by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: RetiredArmy
A heterosexual person in the military isn't supposed to talk about his private life.
Why should it ever be OK for a gay person to tell anyone which side of the bread he butters?
112 posted on 01/02/2007 9:56:21 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken, Cobb County, Georgia, USA!)
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To: RetiredArmy

I wonder what this would do to recruiting?


113 posted on 01/02/2007 10:11:18 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: clintonh8r

I remember that and wondered at the time why he didn't run. About six weeks ago I found out he was coming to OK to live. Talking of him running for Senate if Sen Inhofe decides to hang it up or for Governor in four years when the DemocRAT Henry is term limited.


114 posted on 01/02/2007 10:19:50 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Rudy 2008)
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To: RetiredArmy

That's a Clinton general for you.


115 posted on 01/02/2007 10:20:47 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CottShop

Exactly! If the retired General isn't a liberal DemocRAT, then we hear nothing.


116 posted on 01/02/2007 10:21:21 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Rudy 2008)
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To: TonyRo76
Sounds to me more like a top flight Soviet spy, trying to infiltrate and weaken the U.S. military.

I thought I was the only one that thought that. I can remember he served most of his time in Europe which I thought was odd that he would become Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

117 posted on 01/02/2007 10:28:02 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Rudy 2008)
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To: higgmeister
I have a gay friend that served well in the same career field that I did. He has been out of service for twenty five years and has had a very successful career in the private sector. He has been out in the open for many of those years. My wife and I went to his fiftieth Birthday party.

In addition to the obvious moral problem, the most substantial issue thirty years ago was the stigma against it. The services were fearful that a person in a prominent position might be blackmailed by criminals or the enemy. If the stigma goes away this issue is lessened.

The biggest thing I am against, is the gay advocates that yell that they are gay and insist that you have to admire them for it. If they were all Log Cabin Republicans or Outright Libertarians I would not have much of an objection to them.

118 posted on 01/02/2007 10:35:14 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken, Cobb County, Georgia, USA!)
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To: RetiredArmy

You know what they call Generals once they've retired?

Mister.

This is for a very good reason. I hope I'm around when Bill Clinton dies. I hope I live about 20 years past it, so I can watch the historians finally plumb the depths of that idiots exploits in office.

Between him and Carter, its amazing what kind of damage those two have done.


119 posted on 01/02/2007 10:46:28 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: carola

Here’s an interesting line from the book:

Crossed Currents: Navy Women from WW I to Tailhook
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/bookrev/ebbert.html

Because of lesbians in there barrack Woman felt SAFER sleeping in the men’s barracks then there own.


120 posted on 01/03/2007 1:35:16 AM PST by quietolong
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